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> this too shall pass As long as the world remains human habitable, I agree with you. If even 10% of the landmass where humans currently live becomes uninhabi

by grecy 5y ago

> this too shall pass As long as the world remains human habitable, I agree with you. If even 10% of the landmass where humans currently live becomes uninhabitable due to the impacts of climate change like flood, heat, drought, stable society as we've know for ~50 years has little chance. Hundreds of millions of people will have no place to live, no food, and no water. The only possible outcome would be immense upheaval, violence and another world war.

esarbe 5y ago
You are absolutely correct. What amazes me is people's ability to put their fingers into their ears and go "Lalala, I'm not hearing you. I'm not seeing the problem, lalala!" Every rational observer should be able see the calamity we're headed for. I guess even the prospect of /possible/ having to give up /some/ comfort is enough for most people to just stop thinking and retreat into the ivory towers of wishful thinking. "There's nothing wrong with our current societal setup. It's going good for me, isn't it? And of course there will be a magical mystery technology that will save us all." We're so fucked.
runarberg 5y ago
There is another possibility: Governments lift their hostile immigration policies, and grant refugees a place in their society. Sure there will be tension, but a major upheaval and wars can absolutely be avoided if governments act humanely.
- grecy 5y ago
  What you describe would certainly be nice, though the realist in my simply can't believe it will ever happen. Every country on earth is going to suffer and struggle, and I find it impossible to believe any government would welcome millions more people who are struggling when their own system will already be stretched to breaking point. Governments have not done so in the past for civil war, natural disasters, humanitarian crises, genocide and much worse.
rickdangerous1 5y ago
Many parts of the world are very sparsely populated. The north American continent alone would easily double or triple its current population. We'd have to be smart about it, think carefully where we put new cities etc so that we hedge against climate change... it would be easily doable. Africa too, is capable of supporting a much higher population IF we want to get really serious about doing so.

by grecy 5y ago

esarbe 5y ago

You are absolutely correct. What amazes me is people's ability to put their fingers into their ears and go "Lalala, I'm not hearing you. I'm not seeing the problem, lalala!" Every rational observer should be able see the calamity we're headed for. I guess even the prospect of /possible/ having to give up /some/ comfort is enough for most people to just stop thinking and retreat into the ivory towers of wishful thinking. "There's nothing wrong with our current societal setup. It's going good for me, isn't it? And of course there will be a magical mystery technology that will save us all." We're so fucked.

runarberg 5y ago

There is another possibility: Governments lift their hostile immigration policies, and grant refugees a place in their society. Sure there will be tension, but a major upheaval and wars can absolutely be avoided if governments act humanely.

grecy 5y ago
What you describe would certainly be nice, though the realist in my simply can't believe it will ever happen. Every country on earth is going to suffer and struggle, and I find it impossible to believe any government would welcome millions more people who are struggling when their own system will already be stretched to breaking point. Governments have not done so in the past for civil war, natural disasters, humanitarian crises, genocide and much worse.

rickdangerous1 5y ago

Many parts of the world are very sparsely populated. The north American continent alone would easily double or triple its current population. We'd have to be smart about it, think carefully where we put new cities etc so that we hedge against climate change... it would be easily doable. Africa too, is capable of supporting a much higher population IF we want to get really serious about doing so.