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It’s not your place to decide the risk for other people’s children. No, not even you armchair virologist.

by ctvo 5y ago

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
But it is my place to decide whether to go out for coffee.
NoPicklez 5y ago
To be fair, I think they're getting that advice from health experts. It is well known based on what our health professionals/experts have been saying that children are at a much lower risk. However, I am an advocate for not letting the virus rip through the unvaccinated. I like people alive and I like our hospital systems unburdened.
- sjg007 5y ago
  The risk is higher than people want to admit: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-childrens-hospitals/ https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-c...
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    Have you ever looked into how many children are hospitalized for the Flu? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm#danger https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm#danger > CDC estimates that from the 2010-2011 season to the 2019-2020 season, flu-related hospitalizations among children younger than 5 years old have ranged from 7,000 to 26,000 in the United States. This risk, by the way, may also be higher than people want to admit. I think it's nuts how many schools don't require the annual flu vaccine, not to mention how few Americans get said vaccine in general. That said, the very real risk of the flu—which can also cause long-term complications—does not cause us to all upend our lives, nor should it.
    - sjg007 5y ago
      Covid is deadlier, I am not sure what you need to do to convince yourself but you should: https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-covid-19-more-pediatric-deaths-than-flu-last-18-months/285-2b3fef00-454b-4b43-a873-573ff6afffe7 https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-...
      - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        Sure, but your article also notes that: > COVID-19 and the flu combined make up less than 1% of all pediatric deaths since the start of the pandemic in March of 2020. Someone said upthread that "it’s not [my] place to decide the risk for other people’s children," and that is absolutely true in a broad sense! Unfortunately, I have to make decisions around (1) whether or not to vote for politicians who support re-opening schools, and (2) whether or not I go out to restaurants, shows, and social events.
        sjg007 5y ago
        So what? These are preventable deaths.
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        Car crashes are a leading cause of death in the US. Should we outlaw cars?
        sjg007 5y ago
        What about what? You can’t drive drunk.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  > I am an advocate for not letting the virus rip through the unvaccinated. I like people alive and I like our hospital systems unburdened. Right, and so this is where I disagree with the OP. I don't want anyone to die—I want everyone to be safe and healthy, including people who make bad choices. However, I don't think that I have a responsibility to protect the people who insist on making bad choices. I absolutely did have that responsibility early in the pandemic, and I acted accordingly—I stayed home, I wore a mask, I turned down get-togethers, etc. Now things are different. Vaccines are readily available in the US (and especially in the metropolitan New York area where I live), and any adult who is still unvaccinated has made an explicit decision to live dangerously. And I still don't want them to die—but I also want to go out with friends, and I'm not willing to give that up for the sake of people who can't be bothered to protect themselves!

It’s not your place to decide the risk for other people’s children. No, not even you armchair virologist.

by ctvo 5y ago

It’s not your place to decide the risk for other people’s children. No, not even you armchair virologist.

Wowfunhappy 5y ago

But it is my place to decide whether to go out for coffee.

NoPicklez 5y ago

To be fair, I think they're getting that advice from health experts. It is well known based on what our health professionals/experts have been saying that children are at a much lower risk. However, I am an advocate for not letting the virus rip through the unvaccinated. I like people alive and I like our hospital systems unburdened.

sjg007 5y ago
The risk is higher than people want to admit: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-childrens-hospitals/ https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-c...
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Have you ever looked into how many children are hospitalized for the Flu? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm#danger https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/children.htm#danger > CDC estimates that from the 2010-2011 season to the 2019-2020 season, flu-related hospitalizations among children younger than 5 years old have ranged from 7,000 to 26,000 in the United States. This risk, by the way, may also be higher than people want to admit. I think it's nuts how many schools don't require the annual flu vaccine, not to mention how few Americans get said vaccine in general. That said, the very real risk of the flu—which can also cause long-term complications—does not cause us to all upend our lives, nor should it.
  - sjg007 5y ago
    Covid is deadlier, I am not sure what you need to do to convince yourself but you should: https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-covid-19-more-pediatric-deaths-than-flu-last-18-months/285-2b3fef00-454b-4b43-a873-573ff6afffe7 https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-...
    - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
      Sure, but your article also notes that: > COVID-19 and the flu combined make up less than 1% of all pediatric deaths since the start of the pandemic in March of 2020. Someone said upthread that "it’s not [my] place to decide the risk for other people’s children," and that is absolutely true in a broad sense! Unfortunately, I have to make decisions around (1) whether or not to vote for politicians who support re-opening schools, and (2) whether or not I go out to restaurants, shows, and social events.
      - sjg007 5y ago
        So what? These are preventable deaths.
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        Car crashes are a leading cause of death in the US. Should we outlaw cars?
        sjg007 5y ago
        What about what? You can’t drive drunk.
Wowfunhappy 5y ago
> I am an advocate for not letting the virus rip through the unvaccinated. I like people alive and I like our hospital systems unburdened. Right, and so this is where I disagree with the OP. I don't want anyone to die—I want everyone to be safe and healthy, including people who make bad choices. However, I don't think that I have a responsibility to protect the people who insist on making bad choices. I absolutely did have that responsibility early in the pandemic, and I acted accordingly—I stayed home, I wore a mask, I turned down get-togethers, etc. Now things are different. Vaccines are readily available in the US (and especially in the metropolitan New York area where I live), and any adult who is still unvaccinated has made an explicit decision to live dangerously. And I still don't want them to die—but I also want to go out with friends, and I'm not willing to give that up for the sake of people who can't be bothered to protect themselves!