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> Multiple countries have eliminated the virus. In fact, virtually every country that aimed at it succeeded at this goal. Which countries have eliminated the v

> Multiple countries have eliminated the virus. In fact, virtually every country that aimed at it succeeded at this goal. Which countries have eliminated the virus? Aren't you playing out the exact same kind of baseless optimism you accuse Monica Gandhi of?

graeme 5y ago
I didn’t say it would be easy for many countries to eliminate. My point is it is possible, whereas the person I am criticizing says it is impossible to do better than a vaccine alone. That’s clearly false as there are living, breathing counterexamples. Hard does not equal impossible. New Zealand, Atlantic Canada, Taiwan, most of Australia (NSW doesn’t have elimination as a goal), some caribbean islands, China Many of those places have outbreaks, but they’re beaten them or have beaten them.
- prawn 5y ago
  In Australia, NSW and Victoria are locked down. Other states, including my own, at the sign of sometimes a single case, lock down. And the status quo comes with minimal international movement (need approval and expensive quarantine) and restricted movement between states. Not sure how practical or palatable that would be in Europe, the Americas, etc.
  - nicoburns 5y ago
    How much time have you sepnt locked down in total since the pademic started? Here in the UK it's been about 6 months, and I'm interested to compare the two strategies.
    - prawn 5y ago
      Probably less than a fortnight in total? I'm in South Australia. We had a six day lockdown in Nov 2020 that was lifted after 3-4 days. There was a week-long lockdown in July coming straight after school holidays, so it was like getting a bonus week. There have been many changes for things like wineries and restaurants, and limits on home gatherings at times, but I assume that's pretty standard worldwide. Currently with risk of delta arriving from interstate, I wear a mask entering a public space, but that's about it. We're comparably isolated though compared to the rest of the world, and have strict policies for international travel (quarantine on your return that costs thousands of dollars). There are strong restrictions back in early 2020, but I think we'd taken our kids out of school voluntarily, and I don't know if there was ever a full lockdown.
    - kongin 5y ago
      In Victoria it's been 220 days so far and will hit 300 before the the goals set by the state government for ending the current lockdown are reached.
      - graeme 5y ago
        How severe is it? Montreal had more days under lockdown in 2020/21, and basically no days with zero virus circulating. There was the initial lockdown of 60-80 days or so, then a lockdown from october-may, including curfew from january-may. We’re on track for needing restrictions again this winter.

graeme 5y ago

I didn’t say it would be easy for many countries to eliminate. My point is it is possible, whereas the person I am criticizing says it is impossible to do better than a vaccine alone. That’s clearly false as there are living, breathing counterexamples. Hard does not equal impossible. New Zealand, Atlantic Canada, Taiwan, most of Australia (NSW doesn’t have elimination as a goal), some caribbean islands, China Many of those places have outbreaks, but they’re beaten them or have beaten them.

prawn 5y ago
In Australia, NSW and Victoria are locked down. Other states, including my own, at the sign of sometimes a single case, lock down. And the status quo comes with minimal international movement (need approval and expensive quarantine) and restricted movement between states. Not sure how practical or palatable that would be in Europe, the Americas, etc.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  How much time have you sepnt locked down in total since the pademic started? Here in the UK it's been about 6 months, and I'm interested to compare the two strategies.
  - prawn 5y ago
    Probably less than a fortnight in total? I'm in South Australia. We had a six day lockdown in Nov 2020 that was lifted after 3-4 days. There was a week-long lockdown in July coming straight after school holidays, so it was like getting a bonus week. There have been many changes for things like wineries and restaurants, and limits on home gatherings at times, but I assume that's pretty standard worldwide. Currently with risk of delta arriving from interstate, I wear a mask entering a public space, but that's about it. We're comparably isolated though compared to the rest of the world, and have strict policies for international travel (quarantine on your return that costs thousands of dollars). There are strong restrictions back in early 2020, but I think we'd taken our kids out of school voluntarily, and I don't know if there was ever a full lockdown.
  - kongin 5y ago
    In Victoria it's been 220 days so far and will hit 300 before the the goals set by the state government for ending the current lockdown are reached.
    - graeme 5y ago
      How severe is it? Montreal had more days under lockdown in 2020/21, and basically no days with zero virus circulating. There was the initial lockdown of 60-80 days or so, then a lockdown from october-may, including curfew from january-may. We’re on track for needing restrictions again this winter.