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If you don’t collect data, you can’t give it even if you wanted?
by nicce 5y ago
If you don’t collect data, you can’t give it even if you wanted?
- MattGaiser 5y agoI suspect that you can order to collect it going forward.
- dheera 5y agoIf they order to collect someone's data, can't ProtonMail just say "we've been ordered to collect data for a user" on the front page?
- pas 5y agoIt depends on jurisdiction. For example the UK has the infamous gag orders that are even harder to fight in court (successfully) than their US counterparts. Sure, ProtonMail and its current operators could opt to stop operating in such jurisdictions, but usually it's too late for that when you get the [secret] court order, because if you refuse the operators personally are quickly found in contempt of court (or whatever other bad legal circumstance), and eventually that can lead to similar InterPol/EuroPol (other MLAT) warrants.
- dheera 5y agoAren't they in Switzerland though? A UK gag order can only have teeth within the UK, right?
- pas 5y agoBut if you ever want to do business in the UK or travel to/through the UK, or in/to/through any country that might have MLAT with the UK ... then you're highly incentivized to take them at least a bit seriously to avoid really (sorry, royally!) pissing them off.
- dheerajvs 5y agoThat's what warrant canaries[0] are for. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary
- danuker 5y agoCertain organizations can compel you to start gathering data.
- kazen44 5y agoexpect you are legally required to actually gather this data if a warrant is issued.