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If he starts a battery cell plant he will get about 1/4,5 of his own investment from IPCEI. But there are more programs he can apply to from KfW and Agentur fü

If he starts a battery cell plant he will get about 1/4,5 of his own investment from IPCEI. But there are more programs he can apply to from KfW and Agentur für Arbeit, especially if he is starting his company from a previous unemployment.

hfbkl 5y ago
Have you tried applying for these programs? On paper the possibilities are endless in Germany. In practice it is hard to even get social security or apartments. Most money in Germany goes to parasites like friends of the CDU, rich large corporations like Tesla, the state TV cronies, civil servants and the interest group of the day (refugees in 2015).
- f6v 5y ago
  I know many people on a government startup stipend. Doesn’t seem that hard.
  - fishmaster 5y ago
    Well, let me tell you from experience that everything is difficult in Germany due to insane bureaucracy. I applied for student funding twice and twice I had to pay everything back due to technicalities. I would not consider founding a startup in Germany.
- allendoerfer 5y ago
  > In practice it is hard to even get social security or apartments. No, it is not hard to get social security. It is also not hard to get an apartment. It might be hard for you to get an apartment in an area that is in high demand. You should not demand easier social security from society and then be so quick to call those exact civil servants handing it out parasites.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Isn't this to help people who are on social benefits, and cannot get a job otherwise? Because Tesla is far from social benefits, and probably could easily affort to open a factory even without help
- morsch 5y ago
  Sort of true (if a bit unkind) for Agentur für Arbeit, not really for KfW. KfW will also give you 900 EUR -- so part of the cost -- for installing a car charging socket in your house. Or grant you a loan intended for certain renovations. That kind of thing. They also target businesses, including startups, and even municipalities.

hfbkl 5y ago

Have you tried applying for these programs? On paper the possibilities are endless in Germany. In practice it is hard to even get social security or apartments. Most money in Germany goes to parasites like friends of the CDU, rich large corporations like Tesla, the state TV cronies, civil servants and the interest group of the day (refugees in 2015).

f6v 5y ago
I know many people on a government startup stipend. Doesn’t seem that hard.
- fishmaster 5y ago
  Well, let me tell you from experience that everything is difficult in Germany due to insane bureaucracy. I applied for student funding twice and twice I had to pay everything back due to technicalities. I would not consider founding a startup in Germany.
allendoerfer 5y ago
> In practice it is hard to even get social security or apartments. No, it is not hard to get social security. It is also not hard to get an apartment. It might be hard for you to get an apartment in an area that is in high demand. You should not demand easier social security from society and then be so quick to call those exact civil servants handing it out parasites.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

Isn't this to help people who are on social benefits, and cannot get a job otherwise? Because Tesla is far from social benefits, and probably could easily affort to open a factory even without help

morsch 5y ago
Sort of true (if a bit unkind) for Agentur für Arbeit, not really for KfW. KfW will also give you 900 EUR -- so part of the cost -- for installing a car charging socket in your house. Or grant you a loan intended for certain renovations. That kind of thing. They also target businesses, including startups, and even municipalities.