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There is a small minority of people out there who legitimately can't get the vaccine for medical reasons. Writing them off as collateral damage isn't acceptable

There is a small minority of people out there who legitimately can't get the vaccine for medical reasons. Writing them off as collateral damage isn't acceptable public policy. Take comfort in the fact that the maliciously ignorant already punish themselves in a thousand little ways every day. However, no amount of comeuppance will cause those people to recognize their own actions as the source of their problems.

Zababa 5y ago
> Writing them off as collateral damage isn't acceptable public policy. It was for the flu. Of course from what I understand Covid is worse than the flu. But in most western countries, during the flu season, it is (or at least was) acceptable to not get the vaccine, not wear masks, etc. Old people were expected to get vaccinated since they were the most vulnerable, but even that was on a voluntary basis. So there are some cases where writing off people as collateral damage is an acceptable public policy.
- lancesells 5y ago
  > Covid is worse than the flu. 2017-2018 - 61,000 Deaths in the US from Influenza with NO masks or vaccines or lockdowns 2020-Present - 651,000 Deaths in the US from Covid with masks, vaccines, lockdowns, distancing, etc. Even with those numbers being off think of the difference there and why one should be a little more push for the Covid vaccine.
  - yummypaint 5y ago
    Yeah I don't know why people persist in claiming covid is comparable to the flu when a modicum of research immediately rejects that notion. Moreover there are long-term impacts even if someone recovers from covid. It can do permanent life shortening damage in ways that getting the flu does not. If i had to choose between getting the flu and getting covid i will choose the flu every time. Would anyone choose differently?
    - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
      I’d choose different. Some people like the challenge or prefer more risk seeking situations.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Yeah, but GP meant "would anyone who isn't an idiot?".
  - patrick451 5y ago
    These two data sets were collected using completely different metrics. Therefore, they are not comparable. What's your point again?
  - Zababa 5y ago
    Sure, but the flu is endemic and strikes every year. In general I think it has killed more than Covid in the US, even if we only take the last 20 years. I'm personally vaccinated and think we should take Covid seriously. My point was just that for the flu, we accept to just let people die. I hope Covid will change that, and that people will start wearing masks and be more careful during flu season.
    - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
      Ban cigarettes. We would save more lives.
    - murgindrag 5y ago
      If a side effect of COVID19 were getting rid of flu and colds, I'd be very very happy. It doesn't look like it will be, but it'd be nice. I actually think all the contact tracing stuff would do it. If we had zero tolerance for colds and flues -- we quarantine everyone who gets them and their contacts -- we'd end up at close to zero cases, and close to zero actual quarantines. I actually think steady-state, we'd need fewer quarantines than the number of people flu kills. Flues kill 60k per season. I think 60k quarantines would be more than adequate for containing it.
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Zababa 5y ago

> Writing them off as collateral damage isn't acceptable public policy. It was for the flu. Of course from what I understand Covid is worse than the flu. But in most western countries, during the flu season, it is (or at least was) acceptable to not get the vaccine, not wear masks, etc. Old people were expected to get vaccinated since they were the most vulnerable, but even that was on a voluntary basis. So there are some cases where writing off people as collateral damage is an acceptable public policy.

lancesells 5y ago
> Covid is worse than the flu. 2017-2018 - 61,000 Deaths in the US from Influenza with NO masks or vaccines or lockdowns 2020-Present - 651,000 Deaths in the US from Covid with masks, vaccines, lockdowns, distancing, etc. Even with those numbers being off think of the difference there and why one should be a little more push for the Covid vaccine.
- yummypaint 5y ago
  Yeah I don't know why people persist in claiming covid is comparable to the flu when a modicum of research immediately rejects that notion. Moreover there are long-term impacts even if someone recovers from covid. It can do permanent life shortening damage in ways that getting the flu does not. If i had to choose between getting the flu and getting covid i will choose the flu every time. Would anyone choose differently?
  - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
    I’d choose different. Some people like the challenge or prefer more risk seeking situations.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Yeah, but GP meant "would anyone who isn't an idiot?".
- patrick451 5y ago
  These two data sets were collected using completely different metrics. Therefore, they are not comparable. What's your point again?
- Zababa 5y ago
  Sure, but the flu is endemic and strikes every year. In general I think it has killed more than Covid in the US, even if we only take the last 20 years. I'm personally vaccinated and think we should take Covid seriously. My point was just that for the flu, we accept to just let people die. I hope Covid will change that, and that people will start wearing masks and be more careful during flu season.
  - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
    Ban cigarettes. We would save more lives.
  - murgindrag 5y ago
    If a side effect of COVID19 were getting rid of flu and colds, I'd be very very happy. It doesn't look like it will be, but it'd be nice. I actually think all the contact tracing stuff would do it. If we had zero tolerance for colds and flues -- we quarantine everyone who gets them and their contacts -- we'd end up at close to zero cases, and close to zero actual quarantines. I actually think steady-state, we'd need fewer quarantines than the number of people flu kills. Flues kill 60k per season. I think 60k quarantines would be more than adequate for containing it.

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