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The amount of pressure Apple is taking without folding is, in itself, disturbing. I guess Tim Cook isn’t the sort to have anyone tell him what to do.

junon 5y ago
Ricky Gervais called him out on national television about his use of child labor and the partnership with the CCP. His reaction was this smug, stone cold expression, and absolutely no acknowledgement or action afterward. Tim Cook receives zero respect from me.
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- MarcScott 5y ago
  https://youtu.be/iJOb9xHggS4?t=417 https://youtu.be/iJOb9xHggS4?t=417
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- threshold 5y ago
  He doesn’t need your respect. He runs the world’s largest company.
  - junon 5y ago
    I realize this, thank you.
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- bsksi 5y ago
  What are you, a homophobe?
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Probably because it was a stupid remark made to elicit emotion and try to blame one person/entity and diffuse responsibility from those responsible, which is everyone. Even Apple is not capable of being able to sell a product that can’t take advantage of the economies of scale of Chinese/southeast Asian electronics manufacturing, or the metals that come from the middle of Africa. No one is going to pay $10k for an iPhone versus a $1k Samsung. One company might be able to push the wages and quality of life a little bit, and be able to sell at a 10% or 30% premium. But it is not going to be enough. Gervais was probably wearing clothes made of materials coming from some Asian country from factories with even worse wages. Easy to criticize and make “smart” comments as a comedian, certainly easier than working in the supply chain and managing logistics for 3 decades and actually knowing what is and is not possible. A better use of time would have been if Gervais asked Cook what can be done to speed up the improvement in working conditions or what the roadblocks are that prevent it from happening.
  - revolvingocelot 5y ago
    >Gervais was probably wearing clothes made of materials coming from some Asian country from factories with even worse wages Impressive, usually that type of "no u" argument needs a specific target; how much more useful it is when one can tar anyone wearing clothes with the easy certainty that somewhere in the supply chain substandard working conditions exist. Even more impressive is the snuck premise that, since Gervais is implicitly OK with his clothes (probably) originating in some sweatshop, he should be OK with the state of modern electronics in both their manufacture and their role as panopticon.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I do not know what "no u argument" means, but that is not the argument. The argument is that even something as simple as clothing is difficult to have an economically viable business in if not sourcing from places around the world with low wages and lax labor and environmental laws. I would expect Gervais to recognize this, and understand that Tim Cook cannot be expected to have the power to completely rectify the situation regarding the inputs of the most complicated devices every made in history. >Even more impressive is the snuck premise that, since Gervais is implicitly OK with his clothes (probably) originating in some sweatshop, he should be OK with the state of modern electronics in both their manufacture and their role as panopticon. I do not agree with this interpretation of my premise due to the ill defined word "OK". It is possible to be realistic and expect solutions to take time, but that does not mean one would be "OK" with labor conditions if they did not have to be. People like to blame big corporations, politicians, other countries, anyone but themselves. But push comes to shove, where is the political support for higher fossil fuel taxes? Where is the patronizing of local businesses that use local labor to make goods? What is the purpose of asking Tim Cook about child labor when people in society destroyed every business that did not offer products at the lowest possible prices? I have known about clothing made with child labor since I was in grade school, and I am in my mid 30s, and clothes still come from Bangladesh and we (society as a whole) still buy it from there. Nobody is going to pay the premium required to make an iPhone outside of SE Asia or without the metals from Africa, it is probably not even possible.
crtc 5y ago
Why should they fold if no government outlaws it.
- sdze 5y ago
  Wondering how scanning and submitting of private data is possible within the EU according to GPDR rules. I doubt that the EU commission will have a blind eye on that topic.
tellersid 5y ago
I mean surely they know this was coming? Their marketing was starting to get to me as far as being the privacy company. I was really considering buying my first iphone. They had to know they were throwing all that marketing/effort down the drain. There is no way they are going back on this. They will just wait out the collective short term memory to move on to something else. In a year this will just be normal. In 5 years all the other things that have been added to scan for will also just be normal. For me, I am old and just accept we will live in an ever growing dystopian surveillance state. I am so grateful I was able to live my youth the way it was. If you are young? Yea, I have no answers. May you live in interesting times? At least we have that going for us.
- y4mi 5y ago
  So many other factors contributing to this future too. I.e. Manual labor continuously gets automated, so less low education positions available each year. Upcoming climate crises that's going to displace a lot of people that won't have jobs anymore. Air quality continuously worsening. We're globally at 415 CO2 now, up from below 300 before industrialization. With each sizeable increase people will statistically perform worse on intellectual tasks. If current trends continue we'll be at 500 before 2100. Continuously improving neural networks/"ai" will make fully automated armed defenses on private properties viable, so this is likely the first time in history in which people in power won't be dependent on their guards, making worker uprisings basically impossible I am glad as well that Im always well into my 30th and make an effort to enjoy each day without thinking too much about the future. It's looking grim, so all the more reason to enjoy the present
  - dmm 5y ago
    > If current trends continue we'll be at 500 before 2100. Urban areas are already regularly over 500ppm. I know because my dad certified hospital air systems with a 500ppm limit. Hospitals are having to put carbon filter on their air intakes.
Redoubts 5y ago
I mean, this technology really sounds like it’s coming from someone directly told what to do. It’s just not the public doing the talking.

junon 5y ago

Ricky Gervais called him out on national television about his use of child labor and the partnership with the CCP. His reaction was this smug, stone cold expression, and absolutely no acknowledgement or action afterward. Tim Cook receives zero respect from me.

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MarcScott 5y ago
https://youtu.be/iJOb9xHggS4?t=417 https://youtu.be/iJOb9xHggS4?t=417
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threshold 5y ago
He doesn’t need your respect. He runs the world’s largest company.
- junon 5y ago
  I realize this, thank you.
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bsksi 5y ago
What are you, a homophobe?
lotsofpulp 5y ago
Probably because it was a stupid remark made to elicit emotion and try to blame one person/entity and diffuse responsibility from those responsible, which is everyone. Even Apple is not capable of being able to sell a product that can’t take advantage of the economies of scale of Chinese/southeast Asian electronics manufacturing, or the metals that come from the middle of Africa. No one is going to pay $10k for an iPhone versus a $1k Samsung. One company might be able to push the wages and quality of life a little bit, and be able to sell at a 10% or 30% premium. But it is not going to be enough. Gervais was probably wearing clothes made of materials coming from some Asian country from factories with even worse wages. Easy to criticize and make “smart” comments as a comedian, certainly easier than working in the supply chain and managing logistics for 3 decades and actually knowing what is and is not possible. A better use of time would have been if Gervais asked Cook what can be done to speed up the improvement in working conditions or what the roadblocks are that prevent it from happening.
- revolvingocelot 5y ago
  >Gervais was probably wearing clothes made of materials coming from some Asian country from factories with even worse wages Impressive, usually that type of "no u" argument needs a specific target; how much more useful it is when one can tar anyone wearing clothes with the easy certainty that somewhere in the supply chain substandard working conditions exist. Even more impressive is the snuck premise that, since Gervais is implicitly OK with his clothes (probably) originating in some sweatshop, he should be OK with the state of modern electronics in both their manufacture and their role as panopticon.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I do not know what "no u argument" means, but that is not the argument. The argument is that even something as simple as clothing is difficult to have an economically viable business in if not sourcing from places around the world with low wages and lax labor and environmental laws. I would expect Gervais to recognize this, and understand that Tim Cook cannot be expected to have the power to completely rectify the situation regarding the inputs of the most complicated devices every made in history. >Even more impressive is the snuck premise that, since Gervais is implicitly OK with his clothes (probably) originating in some sweatshop, he should be OK with the state of modern electronics in both their manufacture and their role as panopticon. I do not agree with this interpretation of my premise due to the ill defined word "OK". It is possible to be realistic and expect solutions to take time, but that does not mean one would be "OK" with labor conditions if they did not have to be. People like to blame big corporations, politicians, other countries, anyone but themselves. But push comes to shove, where is the political support for higher fossil fuel taxes? Where is the patronizing of local businesses that use local labor to make goods? What is the purpose of asking Tim Cook about child labor when people in society destroyed every business that did not offer products at the lowest possible prices? I have known about clothing made with child labor since I was in grade school, and I am in my mid 30s, and clothes still come from Bangladesh and we (society as a whole) still buy it from there. Nobody is going to pay the premium required to make an iPhone outside of SE Asia or without the metals from Africa, it is probably not even possible.

crtc 5y ago

Why should they fold if no government outlaws it.

sdze 5y ago
Wondering how scanning and submitting of private data is possible within the EU according to GPDR rules. I doubt that the EU commission will have a blind eye on that topic.

tellersid 5y ago

I mean surely they know this was coming? Their marketing was starting to get to me as far as being the privacy company. I was really considering buying my first iphone. They had to know they were throwing all that marketing/effort down the drain. There is no way they are going back on this. They will just wait out the collective short term memory to move on to something else. In a year this will just be normal. In 5 years all the other things that have been added to scan for will also just be normal. For me, I am old and just accept we will live in an ever growing dystopian surveillance state. I am so grateful I was able to live my youth the way it was. If you are young? Yea, I have no answers. May you live in interesting times? At least we have that going for us.

y4mi 5y ago
So many other factors contributing to this future too. I.e. Manual labor continuously gets automated, so less low education positions available each year. Upcoming climate crises that's going to displace a lot of people that won't have jobs anymore. Air quality continuously worsening. We're globally at 415 CO2 now, up from below 300 before industrialization. With each sizeable increase people will statistically perform worse on intellectual tasks. If current trends continue we'll be at 500 before 2100. Continuously improving neural networks/"ai" will make fully automated armed defenses on private properties viable, so this is likely the first time in history in which people in power won't be dependent on their guards, making worker uprisings basically impossible I am glad as well that Im always well into my 30th and make an effort to enjoy each day without thinking too much about the future. It's looking grim, so all the more reason to enjoy the present
- dmm 5y ago
  > If current trends continue we'll be at 500 before 2100. Urban areas are already regularly over 500ppm. I know because my dad certified hospital air systems with a 500ppm limit. Hospitals are having to put carbon filter on their air intakes.

Redoubts 5y ago

I mean, this technology really sounds like it’s coming from someone directly told what to do. It’s just not the public doing the talking.