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Nominally, publishers proof read, copyedit, format and publicise my articles after they've been through peer review. Occasionally the editors -- inevitably bas

Nominally, publishers proof read, copyedit, format and publicise my articles after they've been through peer review. Occasionally the editors -- inevitably based in Chennai -- spot a typo that the reviewers missed. Sometimes they cock things up massively, especially equations -- I had a big argument about a tickz-based scheme once. The formatting is done automatically and for me as a latex author I really think we could do that very easily. Colleagues who use word see the text transfer to something better as a major value add. The publicity the journal adds is a strong function of how "good" it is. Science and Nature effectively exist because they are Science and Nature.

avnigo 5y ago
Do journals coordinate the peer review, or does that happen prior to the submission to the journal? I was under the impression it's journals that get the peer review process going.
- azalemeth 5y ago
  Yes, they do. And editors -- academics, sometimes paid, usually not -- are the ones who do it. There's a lot of "old boy's network" involved there too, as although each author "suggests" a referee usually the editors submit it to someone not suggested by the authors as well. I didn't include that in the list because it's not really a skill done by the journal, more, as they would say, facilitated by it. Frankly, they profit from: academics writing articles (funded by someone else); academics editing a journal deciding who should review articles (usually, but not always, for free); academics reviewing articles (always for free); and academics citing articles in subsequent ones. The whole system is a house of cards, and a relatively immutable one.
cs2733 5y ago
> Science and Nature effectively exist because they are Science and Nature. Right, the perception of being associated with authoritative and knowledgeable publishers which follow certain formalities (in other words "the proof you as a scientist belong to the Club") has been an important part of academic career progression, even if in the last few years the reputation of peer-reviewed papers in general has taken a dive.
pkz 5y ago
A journal was a thing when it was based on paper. What value does collecting papers to a specific issue of journal have today? Science and Nature may attract better peer reviewers but maybe we could find a new way to compute a weight for a paper depending on the people who peer reviewed it instead of the journal it appeared in? What if we could look at authors, peer reviewers and papers as a graph of weighted edges to come up with a score that was independent on journals as a concept? And where there is an ontology for the semantics of edges (not only number of citations)?

avnigo 5y ago

Do journals coordinate the peer review, or does that happen prior to the submission to the journal? I was under the impression it's journals that get the peer review process going.

azalemeth 5y ago
Yes, they do. And editors -- academics, sometimes paid, usually not -- are the ones who do it. There's a lot of "old boy's network" involved there too, as although each author "suggests" a referee usually the editors submit it to someone not suggested by the authors as well. I didn't include that in the list because it's not really a skill done by the journal, more, as they would say, facilitated by it. Frankly, they profit from: academics writing articles (funded by someone else); academics editing a journal deciding who should review articles (usually, but not always, for free); academics reviewing articles (always for free); and academics citing articles in subsequent ones. The whole system is a house of cards, and a relatively immutable one.

cs2733 5y ago

> Science and Nature effectively exist because they are Science and Nature. Right, the perception of being associated with authoritative and knowledgeable publishers which follow certain formalities (in other words "the proof you as a scientist belong to the Club") has been an important part of academic career progression, even if in the last few years the reputation of peer-reviewed papers in general has taken a dive.

pkz 5y ago

A journal was a thing when it was based on paper. What value does collecting papers to a specific issue of journal have today? Science and Nature may attract better peer reviewers but maybe we could find a new way to compute a weight for a paper depending on the people who peer reviewed it instead of the journal it appeared in? What if we could look at authors, peer reviewers and papers as a graph of weighted edges to come up with a score that was independent on journals as a concept? And where there is an ontology for the semantics of edges (not only number of citations)?