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Invite me out for coffee. Please
- bob229 5y agoNo thanks, time to stop mask wearing and let the virus rip through the unvaccinated. Make them face the consequences of their foolishness
- yummypaint 5y agoThere is a small minority of people out there who legitimately can't get the vaccine for medical reasons. Writing them off as collateral damage isn't acceptable public policy. Take comfort in the fact that the maliciously ignorant already punish themselves in a thousand little ways every day. However, no amount of comeuppance will cause those people to recognize their own actions as the source of their problems.
- Zababa 5y ago> Writing them off as collateral damage isn't acceptable public policy. It was for the flu. Of course from what I understand Covid is worse than the flu. But in most western countries, during the flu season, it is (or at least was) acceptable to not get the vaccine, not wear masks, etc. Old people were expected to get vaccinated since they were the most vulnerable, but even that was on a voluntary basis. So there are some cases where writing off people as collateral damage is an acceptable public policy.
- lancesells 5y ago> Covid is worse than the flu. 2017-2018 - 61,000 Deaths in the US from Influenza with NO masks or vaccines or lockdowns 2020-Present - 651,000 Deaths in the US from Covid with masks, vaccines, lockdowns, distancing, etc. Even with those numbers being off think of the difference there and why one should be a little more push for the Covid vaccine.
- yummypaint 5y agoYeah I don't know why people persist in claiming covid is comparable to the flu when a modicum of research immediately rejects that notion. Moreover there are long-term impacts even if someone recovers from covid. It can do permanent life shortening damage in ways that getting the flu does not. If i had to choose between getting the flu and getting covid i will choose the flu every time. Would anyone choose differently?
- thoughtstheseus 5y agoI’d choose different. Some people like the challenge or prefer more risk seeking situations.
- CRConrad 5y agoYeah, but GP meant "would anyone who isn't an idiot?".
- patrick451 5y agoThese two data sets were collected using completely different metrics. Therefore, they are not comparable. What's your point again?
- Zababa 5y agoSure, but the flu is endemic and strikes every year. In general I think it has killed more than Covid in the US, even if we only take the last 20 years. I'm personally vaccinated and think we should take Covid seriously. My point was just that for the flu, we accept to just let people die. I hope Covid will change that, and that people will start wearing masks and be more careful during flu season.
- thoughtstheseus 5y agoBan cigarettes. We would save more lives.
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- nvr219 5y agoLike my children? lol no thanks.
- Wowfunhappy 5y agoWhile I would have made the point differently than the GP—your children are not at serious risk from COVID because of their age. (They are at some risk—life involves risk—but it’s low.) The people seriously at risk from COVID are unvaccinated adults.
- jzig 5y agoYou don't have children.
- murgindrag 5y agoIf you define "risk" as "hospitalization," that's largely true. If you define "risk" as months or years of bizarre symptoms, reduced lung capacity, brain fog, etc., then children are at risk too. But perhaps you don't care about that sort of thing.
- stolenmerch 5y agoMost studies I've seen show "long covid" to be pretty rare in children. Perhaps something like 5% of children who test positive have mild symptoms a month later. [1] This is somewhat consistent with other respiratory virus infections we've known about. [2] It's possible our risk tolerance is way different but this is personally an acceptable number for me not to worry about my own child. [1] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/long-covid-19-rare-children-study-says https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/long-cov... [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31718695/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31718695/
- murgindrag 5y agoI don't think this represents most studies, but the far lower end. If we're going to cherry-pick, here's one which shows more than half of kids show at least one symptom 120 days out: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.23.21250375v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.23.21250375v... My best guess is that it's around 10%-20% -- that's sort of in the middle where studies land. I suspect a big part of the problem is which child and which COVID. I would speculate alpha, delta, mu, etc. all have different rates. I think the second question is the distribution of symptoms. None of the studies are sensitive enough to pick up a 5% loss in IQ, lung capacity, or similar. Do some kids get it and others don't? Or is there a bell curve of symptoms, and we're picking up kids with the more extreme versions? If it's a bell curve, it's pretty scary. All kids could be harmed to the level of e.g. lead exposure, and we wouldn't notice.
- sschueller 5y agoAll fun and games until you have a car accident and there are no ICU beds available for you. Letting the virus go rampant still affects the vaccinated and the poor few that can't get vaccinated because of underlying health issues.
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- patrick451 5y agoAs an un-vaccinated person, I wholeheartedly agree. Speaking for every single un-vaccinated person I know, we never expected anyone to keep wear masks or whatever because of us.
- zorr 5y ago> To chit-chat and connect. To reintroduce small talk into my life. I get the need for this. I had been living pretty solitary and hadn't worked in an office for a little over a year when I went back to working part-time in an office and those first few days were a shock to my system. That first lunch together with 5 people in the break room felt really weird and it was hard to even keep up with the conversation. In the afternoons I was completely spent, my brain was fried. Sometimes to the point where I did not even realize what is was talking about anymore and I frequently lost my train of thought. Blanking out in the middle of a sentence. So for what it's worth taking advice from random strangers on the internet: take things slow when reintroducing social things in your life. Give yourself time to adapt. Ease into it and listen to your body and brain signals. Of course YMMV. In my case it was not only covid lockdowns, I was also struggling with burnout and a recent autism/ADHD diagnosis which probably affected my social skill decline as well.
- Zababa 5y agoAfter a year and half of Covid, lockdowns and work from home, I've developped some anxiety that I didn't have before. I'm way more self-conscious when going outside. I used to not like much meeting new people, but now it's even worse. Making calls was never easy for me, but these days it's harder. I never had much stress when doing interviews, and now I can't catch my breath for the first 10 minutes. At least I now understand how crippling it can be for some people.
- drannex 5y ago> and now I can't catch my breath for the first 10 minutes. Happy to hear that I'm not the only one, sorry to hear that I'm not the only one.
- Zababa 5y agoI feel exactly the same!
- perl4ever 5y ago>now I can't catch my breath for the first 10 minutes For some reason, a few years ago, I would be on a phone interview, and I couldn't breathe. But when/if I got an in person interview, I would be completely relaxed. Sometimes too relaxed and careless about what I said. I never did a video interview, so I don't know how that would go.
- Zababa 5y agoThanks for sharing. For me it's when I transition from the "presentation" part of an interview to the "discussion" part of an interview that I can catch my breath.
- Gortal278 5y agoI would try and seek out a therapist about this. This needs dealt with.
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- amin 5y agoWhy wait to be invited? She has the power to invite others out for coffee. "Be the change you want to see in the world".
- DangitBobby 5y agoThe first half of the letter outlines all of the COVID protection related hoops she is willing to jump through for a simple meetup. The unspoken part is that people are not willing to meet her for coffee anymore, regardless of who sends the invite.
- zafka 5y agoI love this! Let me know when you are in South FL.
- wdb 5y agoSorry, I don't drink coffee. If you are happy to drink tea with me, sure.
- sensitive-ears 5y agoYeah, I feel this a lot too. I get a lot of my inspiration from other people. Video calls don't quite work. Now it's been 18 months since I've been in the office, and I'm just some who does what their told and that's it. Still very thankful to be employed and healthy, but if I got fired tomorrow it would be a relief
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- mikewarot 5y agoI suspect the fact that I grew up before everyone had a telephone (the kind that was wired into a house) of their own, and before the internet might have something to do with it, but my social interactions post Covid feel no different. To be fair, I had 55 years of social experience, and decades of interaction via BBSs and the internet before Covid hit. My child, on the other hand, shares your anxieties. Update: It could also be that I was the one who always went out and did most of the shopping, so there's always some interaction on tap.