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I disagree. Most of relativity comes from the fact that all objects have an average velocity of their fundamental constituents. The highest average velocity is

I disagree. Most of relativity comes from the fact that all objects have an average velocity of their fundamental constituents. The highest average velocity is C, when the object is a beam of electromagnetic energy. This is why it takes infinite energy to accelerate an object to the speed of light, you can add more photons to it, but the average will always be less than C, you just get it slightly closer. The reason for time dilation and the other facets of relativity pretty much come down to the fact that objects either move or change, but cannot do both simultaneously. One can think of time passing inside a spacecraft or object as internal movement, as oppose to the external movement of the spacecraft throughout the cosmos. Each bit of energy provides h (Planck's constant) action, a measure of change of state. The more the object allocates toward external movement in space, the less it can allocate for internal movement / internal changes, which is what observer time really is. Even though I say external vs internal, I am not violating relativity. The reference frames are relative, we do not need an absolute reference frame. Doubly special relativity deduces most of these elegant derivations by assuming there is a smallest quanta of energy possible, but nonetheless, these concepts can be derived just by understanding the role of mass as loops of energy, energy as an allowance for change of state, and time as the usage of energy for internal change of state, and movement as the usage of energy for external change of state. Relativity is just the consequence of energy's connection to information and movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubly_special_relativity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubly_special_relativity

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Um, no. That is not how any of that works. For instance, your second paragraph: No, objects move or change at the same time, just at different rates. And an object can be moving in one frame of reference, and only "changing" (time passing) in another.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  I made my point clear, the amount of change of state that an object can produce over time, is given by its energy. This is because action equals joule-seconds, so energy equals actions per second. Just because you can change your frame to see change differently (ie. stationary) doesn't invalidate the point. This principle applies just as well even as the frame is changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)
Koshkin 5y ago
> average velocity of their fundamental constituents An interesting (if unusual) viewpoint; I wonder if this could lead to (a more realistic) quantum gravity. > objects either move or change, but cannot do both simultaneously This does make time slowing down inside a moving object kind of obvious. (I wonder if this description based on action/energy quantization turns out to be equivalent, at a certain level, to the essentially geometric picture of the classical relativity.)
- goldenkey 5y ago
  It is indeed a very geometrical picture since position is just as much of a state as spin is. Position just has a few huge dimensions as its degrees of freedom. We don't know _yet_ whether position is continuously valued or discrete. Gravity being quantum would most likely indicate that position is also discrete. Since all energy, being allocated for external movement or just internal time, produces the same amount of gravity, it appears that the act of any state change induces gravity. Einstein never really gave a physically understandable reason for why all change causes gravitation, but it's likely similar to a ship in water. If the ship is rocking really fast, the waves that emanate from it can pull objects towards it. The rocking is just state change and even for a rest mass, we know that it's a loop of energy, there really is no static storage of mass.. it's a process of energy containment and cyclic change.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

Um, no. That is not how any of that works. For instance, your second paragraph: No, objects move or change at the same time, just at different rates. And an object can be moving in one frame of reference, and only "changing" (time passing) in another.

goldenkey 5y ago
I made my point clear, the amount of change of state that an object can produce over time, is given by its energy. This is because action equals joule-seconds, so energy equals actions per second. Just because you can change your frame to see change differently (ie. stationary) doesn't invalidate the point. This principle applies just as well even as the frame is changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)

Koshkin 5y ago

> average velocity of their fundamental constituents An interesting (if unusual) viewpoint; I wonder if this could lead to (a more realistic) quantum gravity. > objects either move or change, but cannot do both simultaneously This does make time slowing down inside a moving object kind of obvious. (I wonder if this description based on action/energy quantization turns out to be equivalent, at a certain level, to the essentially geometric picture of the classical relativity.)

goldenkey 5y ago
It is indeed a very geometrical picture since position is just as much of a state as spin is. Position just has a few huge dimensions as its degrees of freedom. We don't know _yet_ whether position is continuously valued or discrete. Gravity being quantum would most likely indicate that position is also discrete. Since all energy, being allocated for external movement or just internal time, produces the same amount of gravity, it appears that the act of any state change induces gravity. Einstein never really gave a physically understandable reason for why all change causes gravitation, but it's likely similar to a ship in water. If the ship is rocking really fast, the waves that emanate from it can pull objects towards it. The rocking is just state change and even for a rest mass, we know that it's a loop of energy, there really is no static storage of mass.. it's a process of energy containment and cyclic change.