3 ms·

> you're the guy who doesn't believe the women Nobody should believe "the" women. Not more that we should believe "the" men. Everybody can have hidden agendas.

> you're the guy who doesn't believe the women Nobody should believe "the" women. Not more that we should believe "the" men. Everybody can have hidden agendas. Being a woman is not a proof that somebody is not lying. Moreover. In fact, nobody should believe "me", or "you". Specially when there are a pattern of dissonances between what somebody claims, the quality of the proofs shown and the easy to find facts that don't match what is claimed. > re-read what that wise woman wrote 35 years ago about RMS groupies To start, she seems to have a poor and 'holier-than-thou' opinion about all [male] hackers that describes as "fu*d people", and this is not a good sign in my book. I doubt also that RMS would have a lot of "groupies" or fame in 1986, five years before the first Linux. If something was proven with time is that he was right, and that the "such smart woman" was clueless as a blind chicken about the future impact of the FSF. Your example would be like talking about how disappointing was the impact to Bill Gates to our society at 8 years old. > called my friend a creepy spoiled brat Maybe is a great guy, but in this two photos it surely looks like one. You are not doing him any favor showing them here.

DonHopkins 5y ago
You're strangely obsessed with your mistaken belief that RMS loves trees, based on never having met him, and your Dendrophobia Deniel conspiracy theory that I and all the women I've quoted and my friend Devon are liars, based on never having met any of us or even RMS himself. Devon just created an account and replied above. It turns out I was mistaken about the particular tree: it was actually the tree around the corner of the house that was outside the bedroom window. But Devon confirms that people of all genders at the AI/LCS lab hung ferns in their offices to keep RMS away. You probably want to interrogate and insult him directly if you still believe he's a "lying" "creepy" "spoiled brat" (although I have no idea how you so "surely" inferred those specific labels from the photographs -- did you use Facebook's computer vision AI?), at the risk of being banned from HN for antisocial behavior, but I suggest you remain civil, since you're the one who's hypocritically defending RMS's behavior while lecturing other people about civility while incorrectly labeling and insulting them and their friends, based on your imagination and no evidence or first hand experience whatsoever. https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-apologizes-artificial-intelligence-labels-black-men-primates-video-2021-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-apologizes-artifici... And yes, RMS did have many groupies in 1986 and long before, and he was quite well known even in the 70's, in certain circles. He started working at the MIT AI Lab in 1971, with Gerald Sussman in 1975, and he and Sussman published an early widely cited paper on AI truth maintenance and dependency-directed backtracking in 1977. It was openly known by many people on the ARPANET that his password was "rms", and he welcomed people to log in and use his account. And the ARPANET was a very small tightly knit circle, were everybody knew each other, back in the days of NCP, when host numbers were only 8 bits, so there could be no more than 256 hosts, and homosocketuality was prohibited, before "Flag Day" in 1983 when they switched to TCP/IP with its 32 bit addresses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Control_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Control_Program https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14178653 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14178653 So it's supremely ironic, ignorant, and insulting that you would mistakenly short measure the temporal extent of RMS's fame by the young age of "Linux", instead of saying "Gnu/Linux". Obviously you have never met him personally and triggered him by saying "Linux" instead of "Gnu/Linux" in his presence, and that shows you know very little about the history of FSF or the personality of RMS. He'd probably be furious with you for what you said about his fame following the success of the first "Linux". Richard Stallman when you call it Linux instead of GNU/Linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8VgjZUel6M&ab_channel=DullBananas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8VgjZUel6M&ab_channel=DullB...
- pvaldes 5y ago
  I'm very specifically referring in my post to the creation of Linux, the kernel. Sorry if it was ambiguous to you. I'm aware that GNU predates Linux but a GNU without Linux never would had the same popularity as it has. HURD never has been widely adopted. > You could trigger Stallman! is a bad man! I'm not worried by that possibility. Maybe Stallman should be worried by my answers. Dunno. If is a problem to you, can I suggest to call it LiGNUx as a compromise solution and end this old war? Feel free to also use Stallmanix, or Stallpple if you use Hurd. As long as it works, I don't care about the name.
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    That doesn't make any sense, or align with what you actually said, but whatever. Stallman's fame long predates GNU. I think you owe Devon an apology for calling him a "creepy" "spoiled brat" "liar". He correctly confirmed what you wrongly denied without any evidence and by calling other people with direct experience liars, and he knows first hand, having shared a house with RMS for many years, and having known him well for many decades. By the way, "Sorry it was ambiguous to you" is a classic non-apology apology, blaming somebody else for their mistake of misunderstanding you, without admitting you were wrong, which you were. I understood you just fine. You owe Devon a much more specific and sincere apology than that for calling him names, directly stating what you did that was wrong, showing your remorse, acknowledging that you were wrong, and promising that it won't happen again. Here's some help with that: https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/how-to-apologize.htm https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/how-to-apologize.htm
    - pvaldes 5y ago
      Sorry Devon. Don't feel bad, we all have photos like those. I have worse photos than yours for sure. Welcome to HN. > You should apologize to everybody by your flagrant misconduct, and promise that you will not do it again, blah, blah, the fires of hell, blah, blah, cancel culture, blah, blah... Hem, nope. That would feel like being in a cult. I'm free, adult and able to stand my own ground, not a ticktoddler easy to impress to follow the brilliant lights. "Promise that would not do it again [something that you opinate but has annoyed me]" looks totally like returning to witch hunt, public humiliations of dissidents, and totalitarism. Is not acceptable. [By the way, I kindly suggest you not to use the passive aggressive mode with me. I don't have a lot of patience anymore with this people and those that tried the trick before felt my burnt to the root. Be happy].

DonHopkins 5y ago

You're strangely obsessed with your mistaken belief that RMS loves trees, based on never having met him, and your Dendrophobia Deniel conspiracy theory that I and all the women I've quoted and my friend Devon are liars, based on never having met any of us or even RMS himself. Devon just created an account and replied above. It turns out I was mistaken about the particular tree: it was actually the tree around the corner of the house that was outside the bedroom window. But Devon confirms that people of all genders at the AI/LCS lab hung ferns in their offices to keep RMS away. You probably want to interrogate and insult him directly if you still believe he's a "lying" "creepy" "spoiled brat" (although I have no idea how you so "surely" inferred those specific labels from the photographs -- did you use Facebook's computer vision AI?), at the risk of being banned from HN for antisocial behavior, but I suggest you remain civil, since you're the one who's hypocritically defending RMS's behavior while lecturing other people about civility while incorrectly labeling and insulting them and their friends, based on your imagination and no evidence or first hand experience whatsoever. https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-apologizes-artificial-intelligence-labels-black-men-primates-video-2021-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-apologizes-artifici... And yes, RMS did have many groupies in 1986 and long before, and he was quite well known even in the 70's, in certain circles. He started working at the MIT AI Lab in 1971, with Gerald Sussman in 1975, and he and Sussman published an early widely cited paper on AI truth maintenance and dependency-directed backtracking in 1977. It was openly known by many people on the ARPANET that his password was "rms", and he welcomed people to log in and use his account. And the ARPANET was a very small tightly knit circle, were everybody knew each other, back in the days of NCP, when host numbers were only 8 bits, so there could be no more than 256 hosts, and homosocketuality was prohibited, before "Flag Day" in 1983 when they switched to TCP/IP with its 32 bit addresses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Control_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Control_Program https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14178653 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14178653 So it's supremely ironic, ignorant, and insulting that you would mistakenly short measure the temporal extent of RMS's fame by the young age of "Linux", instead of saying "Gnu/Linux". Obviously you have never met him personally and triggered him by saying "Linux" instead of "Gnu/Linux" in his presence, and that shows you know very little about the history of FSF or the personality of RMS. He'd probably be furious with you for what you said about his fame following the success of the first "Linux". Richard Stallman when you call it Linux instead of GNU/Linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8VgjZUel6M&ab_channel=DullBananas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8VgjZUel6M&ab_channel=DullB...

pvaldes 5y ago
I'm very specifically referring in my post to the creation of Linux, the kernel. Sorry if it was ambiguous to you. I'm aware that GNU predates Linux but a GNU without Linux never would had the same popularity as it has. HURD never has been widely adopted. > You could trigger Stallman! is a bad man! I'm not worried by that possibility. Maybe Stallman should be worried by my answers. Dunno. If is a problem to you, can I suggest to call it LiGNUx as a compromise solution and end this old war? Feel free to also use Stallmanix, or Stallpple if you use Hurd. As long as it works, I don't care about the name.
- DonHopkins 5y ago
  That doesn't make any sense, or align with what you actually said, but whatever. Stallman's fame long predates GNU. I think you owe Devon an apology for calling him a "creepy" "spoiled brat" "liar". He correctly confirmed what you wrongly denied without any evidence and by calling other people with direct experience liars, and he knows first hand, having shared a house with RMS for many years, and having known him well for many decades. By the way, "Sorry it was ambiguous to you" is a classic non-apology apology, blaming somebody else for their mistake of misunderstanding you, without admitting you were wrong, which you were. I understood you just fine. You owe Devon a much more specific and sincere apology than that for calling him names, directly stating what you did that was wrong, showing your remorse, acknowledging that you were wrong, and promising that it won't happen again. Here's some help with that: https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/how-to-apologize.htm https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/how-to-apologize.htm
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    Sorry Devon. Don't feel bad, we all have photos like those. I have worse photos than yours for sure. Welcome to HN. > You should apologize to everybody by your flagrant misconduct, and promise that you will not do it again, blah, blah, the fires of hell, blah, blah, cancel culture, blah, blah... Hem, nope. That would feel like being in a cult. I'm free, adult and able to stand my own ground, not a ticktoddler easy to impress to follow the brilliant lights. "Promise that would not do it again [something that you opinate but has annoyed me]" looks totally like returning to witch hunt, public humiliations of dissidents, and totalitarism. Is not acceptable. [By the way, I kindly suggest you not to use the passive aggressive mode with me. I don't have a lot of patience anymore with this people and those that tried the trick before felt my burnt to the root. Be happy].