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> I'm pretty sure first hand that RMS is afraid of trees and bushes and foliage Have you seriously consider that he could be worried by something that could be

> I'm pretty sure first hand that RMS is afraid of trees and bushes and foliage Have you seriously consider that he could be worried by something that could be in that foliage, like ticks for example? > fearlessly climbing up to the roof of his house on the evil tree that RMS was afraid of again, have you consider that he could be worried by how easy would be for a stranger to break into the room climbing the tree and maybe steal his computer? Most people like to have a sense of security and private space when sleeping.

DonHopkins 5y ago
I believe the women, and my own eyes and ears. Edit: A science fiction convention is not a workplace, and as the butts of his joke about burning down his house, Mike and I (who he also calls "Evil Software Hoarders" because we worked for UniPress on his enemy Gosling Emacs) are in the unique position of deciding whether it's offensive to us or not, not you. And we both thought it was hilarious, as he meant us to take it, especially his without-missing-a-beat dead-pan delivery. Also we weren't co-workers, we fought on opposite sides of the Emacs Wars, but we hung out at science fiction conventions and at each other's homes, and were friendly and civil in person (at least enough to know if he accused us of burning down his house, he was only joking, and that if he asked me to hold a bush out of his way, he really meant it). And I was taking photos of the guy you rudely accuse of being a creepy spoiled brat while you lectured me about making fun of people, because he is my friend, and we were having a fun time climbing the trees at his house, not mocking RMS or even thinking about him at the time. It just so happens that was the roof of the same house that burnt down later, and the same tree that RMS was afraid of, and somebody asked for proof, so I gave what I had. Do you need more proof? (Gumby: I'm sure you have some stories! ;) ) Just come out and say you don't believe the women, and stop lecturing me on civility while baselessly calling my friend a creepy spoiled brat, m'kay? ;)
- pvaldes 5y ago
  What I see in your previous posts is somebody taking a lot of effort and time to made fun of the "weirdo" in the room. Making jokes in the workplace about burning the home of somebody is funny and acceptable activity to you? Seriously? And what was the purpose of taking the photo of the creepy guy climbing the tree, except to mock RMS? Your friend looks like a spoiled brat in that photos. I had seen before this pattern of coworkers teaming against the smart, different guy in the room, releasing rumors about people, and all the stuff that I see in your post... all while pretending to be friendly. And I think that they are really disgusting people, to be honest.
  - Normal_gaussian 5y ago
    Please be aware that you are going out of your way to construct a scenario where Don is being insincere and even malicious; there is hipocrisy in your demands for specific evidence in your first comment and your assumptions in this one. There are other ways to bring your interpretations to the table, ways that allow thoughtful discussion and so won't see your comments categorically rejected.
    - pvaldes 5y ago
      > there is hipocrisy in your demands for specific evidence in your first comment You must refer to the post written by CameronNemo. Those aren't neither "my demands" nor my comment. Yep, I believe totally in those hypothetical women putting plants in their room because "Stallman can't stand being in the same room as plants". The trick is working great it seems. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Egill-stallman.jpg/320px-Egill-stallman.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Eg... http://blogs.laprensagrafica.com/litoibarra/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blog238img31.jpg http://blogs.laprensagrafica.com/litoibarra/wp-content/uploa... Is also obvious that the man is afraid of trees and nature in general https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stallman_Jadwisin_9.JPG https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stallman_Jadwisin_9.... Real phobias are serious medical problems causing a lot of anxiety and pain in people that just can't avoid being afraid. Is not funny stuff to gossip about it. I think that spread the rumor of somebody having a phobia is, if not malicious, at least of very bad taste. Specially when several documents show the opposite behavior. And if you say that this wrapped thing is a gerbil, well... Solid evidence. All packages with that shape contain a live gerbil inside. The more expensive Tesla cars even have four squirrel units inside for feeding the battery.
      - DonHopkins 5y ago
        That's true, those weren't your demands, but you're the guy who doesn't believe the women, and called my friend a creepy spoiled brat while lecturing me about civility. Defending RMS's love of trees isn't the hill I'd choose to die on. If you really don't believe her, re-read what that wise woman wrote 35 years ago about RMS groupies, and tell me that it doesn't apply to you today: >Yet I still hear people I love and respect talk about him as if he were some kind of deity, as if his Free Software Foundation were the noblest effort in the world. It is admirable, yes. But to glorify the thoroughly sick human being behind it into some sort of whole-life messianic figure is unconscionable. Meeting RMS groupies was yet another contributing factor to my punting of the computer world for the time being. So many of the "hackers" out there (hackers, not crackers/urchins/destructoids) seem to have their external values totally fukt. Sure, we're all entitled to different values. Fine. But it grieves me to see good people withering away behind a self-imposed wall of lonely techno-perfection, their frantic efforts to acquire friends and lovers made all the more poignant by the desperation in their eyes, voice, manner. Most of them know that they are lacking something important, but don't know what it is, or how to get it, or who to ask for it. Many can see themselves alienating people or spurning offers of friendship and affection, but don't know how or why they're doing so. They just look impassive and bored and in control, and damn themselves silently in their minds, self-inflicting the rejection and pain that they feared from the outside.

DonHopkins 5y ago

I believe the women, and my own eyes and ears. Edit: A science fiction convention is not a workplace, and as the butts of his joke about burning down his house, Mike and I (who he also calls "Evil Software Hoarders" because we worked for UniPress on his enemy Gosling Emacs) are in the unique position of deciding whether it's offensive to us or not, not you. And we both thought it was hilarious, as he meant us to take it, especially his without-missing-a-beat dead-pan delivery. Also we weren't co-workers, we fought on opposite sides of the Emacs Wars, but we hung out at science fiction conventions and at each other's homes, and were friendly and civil in person (at least enough to know if he accused us of burning down his house, he was only joking, and that if he asked me to hold a bush out of his way, he really meant it). And I was taking photos of the guy you rudely accuse of being a creepy spoiled brat while you lectured me about making fun of people, because he is my friend, and we were having a fun time climbing the trees at his house, not mocking RMS or even thinking about him at the time. It just so happens that was the roof of the same house that burnt down later, and the same tree that RMS was afraid of, and somebody asked for proof, so I gave what I had. Do you need more proof? (Gumby: I'm sure you have some stories! ;) ) Just come out and say you don't believe the women, and stop lecturing me on civility while baselessly calling my friend a creepy spoiled brat, m'kay? ;)

pvaldes 5y ago
What I see in your previous posts is somebody taking a lot of effort and time to made fun of the "weirdo" in the room. Making jokes in the workplace about burning the home of somebody is funny and acceptable activity to you? Seriously? And what was the purpose of taking the photo of the creepy guy climbing the tree, except to mock RMS? Your friend looks like a spoiled brat in that photos. I had seen before this pattern of coworkers teaming against the smart, different guy in the room, releasing rumors about people, and all the stuff that I see in your post... all while pretending to be friendly. And I think that they are really disgusting people, to be honest.
- Normal_gaussian 5y ago
  Please be aware that you are going out of your way to construct a scenario where Don is being insincere and even malicious; there is hipocrisy in your demands for specific evidence in your first comment and your assumptions in this one. There are other ways to bring your interpretations to the table, ways that allow thoughtful discussion and so won't see your comments categorically rejected.
  - pvaldes 5y ago
    > there is hipocrisy in your demands for specific evidence in your first comment You must refer to the post written by CameronNemo. Those aren't neither "my demands" nor my comment. Yep, I believe totally in those hypothetical women putting plants in their room because "Stallman can't stand being in the same room as plants". The trick is working great it seems. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Egill-stallman.jpg/320px-Egill-stallman.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Eg... http://blogs.laprensagrafica.com/litoibarra/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blog238img31.jpg http://blogs.laprensagrafica.com/litoibarra/wp-content/uploa... Is also obvious that the man is afraid of trees and nature in general https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stallman_Jadwisin_9.JPG https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stallman_Jadwisin_9.... Real phobias are serious medical problems causing a lot of anxiety and pain in people that just can't avoid being afraid. Is not funny stuff to gossip about it. I think that spread the rumor of somebody having a phobia is, if not malicious, at least of very bad taste. Specially when several documents show the opposite behavior. And if you say that this wrapped thing is a gerbil, well... Solid evidence. All packages with that shape contain a live gerbil inside. The more expensive Tesla cars even have four squirrel units inside for feeding the battery.
    - DonHopkins 5y ago
      That's true, those weren't your demands, but you're the guy who doesn't believe the women, and called my friend a creepy spoiled brat while lecturing me about civility. Defending RMS's love of trees isn't the hill I'd choose to die on. If you really don't believe her, re-read what that wise woman wrote 35 years ago about RMS groupies, and tell me that it doesn't apply to you today: >Yet I still hear people I love and respect talk about him as if he were some kind of deity, as if his Free Software Foundation were the noblest effort in the world. It is admirable, yes. But to glorify the thoroughly sick human being behind it into some sort of whole-life messianic figure is unconscionable. Meeting RMS groupies was yet another contributing factor to my punting of the computer world for the time being. So many of the "hackers" out there (hackers, not crackers/urchins/destructoids) seem to have their external values totally fukt. Sure, we're all entitled to different values. Fine. But it grieves me to see good people withering away behind a self-imposed wall of lonely techno-perfection, their frantic efforts to acquire friends and lovers made all the more poignant by the desperation in their eyes, voice, manner. Most of them know that they are lacking something important, but don't know what it is, or how to get it, or who to ask for it. Many can see themselves alienating people or spurning offers of friendship and affection, but don't know how or why they're doing so. They just look impassive and bored and in control, and damn themselves silently in their minds, self-inflicting the rejection and pain that they feared from the outside.