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2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of singl

2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.
- cobalt 5y ago
  what about the billions of people already on this planet who are not in such a lucky position?
- standardUser 5y ago
  We also have no idea who the 15% of all pregnancies that end in miscarriages "could become" but we don't obsess over it because pregnancy never has been and never will be the guarantee of a fully formed independent human being. Not in humans, not in any species.
- all2 5y ago
  I have an inkling as to why this comment is being downvoted, but I'd love to see some actual responses to it that refute or at least engage with the claim that "adoption is an option".
- falcolas 5y ago
  Adoption still places the parents under the duress of the medical bills up to the point of adoption, nor does it address the extreme physical duress it places the mother under. Additionally, it does not address cases of rape, incest, pregnancies which have a high chance of killing the mother, or children with severe defects (who are likely to remain in foster homes, in the average-to-good case).
- mcphage 5y ago
  Steve Jobs was also the child of Syrian immigrants, so I’m not really sure he’s the person you should be trotting out in situations like these.
- belltaco 5y ago
  It won't be hard to find serial killers and serial pedophiles that weren't aborted because of abortion not being legal.
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  We can only begin to judge people as individuals once they have gained agency and self-awareness. If we're going to turn the argument into a contest of silly clichés, then how do I know whether a given fetus is going to grow up to become the next Jobs or the next Hitler? You can't define a clump of cells as "good," "evil," or, indeed, as "human." Your own holy book makes no attempt at doing so. If you insist on enforcing your unsupported opinion at gunpoint, it can only happen at the cost of our own free will... just as seen here.
anonymousab 5y ago
> Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere Some will, but some won't or can't, and for many of the supporters of that law, any number >=1 is a success. > or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. The general argument at that point is that life/society is punishing the parents and family for being immoral or irresponsible, which is kept separate from the goal of saving lives/enforcing punishment by preventing abortion. In other words, the quality of those lives (or lack thereof) thereafter is seen an unrelated concern. > What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican I wouldn't say it's planned but I think Republicans are quite happy with an outcome that creates more Republicans.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.

cobalt 5y ago
what about the billions of people already on this planet who are not in such a lucky position?
standardUser 5y ago
We also have no idea who the 15% of all pregnancies that end in miscarriages "could become" but we don't obsess over it because pregnancy never has been and never will be the guarantee of a fully formed independent human being. Not in humans, not in any species.
all2 5y ago
I have an inkling as to why this comment is being downvoted, but I'd love to see some actual responses to it that refute or at least engage with the claim that "adoption is an option".
falcolas 5y ago
Adoption still places the parents under the duress of the medical bills up to the point of adoption, nor does it address the extreme physical duress it places the mother under. Additionally, it does not address cases of rape, incest, pregnancies which have a high chance of killing the mother, or children with severe defects (who are likely to remain in foster homes, in the average-to-good case).
mcphage 5y ago
Steve Jobs was also the child of Syrian immigrants, so I’m not really sure he’s the person you should be trotting out in situations like these.
belltaco 5y ago
It won't be hard to find serial killers and serial pedophiles that weren't aborted because of abortion not being legal.
CamperBob2 5y ago
We can only begin to judge people as individuals once they have gained agency and self-awareness. If we're going to turn the argument into a contest of silly clichés, then how do I know whether a given fetus is going to grow up to become the next Jobs or the next Hitler? You can't define a clump of cells as "good," "evil," or, indeed, as "human." Your own holy book makes no attempt at doing so. If you insist on enforcing your unsupported opinion at gunpoint, it can only happen at the cost of our own free will... just as seen here.

anonymousab 5y ago

> Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere Some will, but some won't or can't, and for many of the supporters of that law, any number >=1 is a success. > or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. The general argument at that point is that life/society is punishing the parents and family for being immoral or irresponsible, which is kept separate from the goal of saving lives/enforcing punishment by preventing abortion. In other words, the quality of those lives (or lack thereof) thereafter is seen an unrelated concern. > What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican I wouldn't say it's planned but I think Republicans are quite happy with an outcome that creates more Republicans.