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As far as I understand that's one of the more insane parts of this law. You don't need to show you suffered any harm or loss, absolutely anyone can sue under th

As far as I understand that's one of the more insane parts of this law. You don't need to show you suffered any harm or loss, absolutely anyone can sue under this law.

philipov 5y ago
It's probably using some twisted justification like saying that abortions cause harm to society as a whole, and that gives any member of society standing.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  More like "I'll be sent to hell if I don't save a soul". It's all selfishly motivated.
- extropy 5y ago
  So raising a child in very suboptimal conditions is high chance of child turning criminal later on. Or parents dropping put of school to provide for the child. It can well be argued both ways.
- novok 5y ago
  AFAIK that is the definition of a crime, and is enforced by the state accordingly.
thih9 5y ago
This seems ridiculous, to the point that I feel like I'm missing something. Does that mean that multiple people can sue a single person? If the person proves that there was no abortion, who covers the legal fees? Would it be possible to bait people into suing, get expensive lawyers and then provide proof that there was no abortion?
- fabian2k 5y ago
  Take this with a huge grain of salt as my information is mostly indirect and I'm certainly not a lawyer. But I've read that there is actually a provision in there that prevents the legal fees for the defendant to be covered even if they win. I suspect this will crash and burn not because it is insane, but because it's also a mess legally. But that will take time.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  > Does that mean that multiple people can sue a single person? Yes, the bill enables thousands of suits to be filed, even if frivolous, against abortion providers. > If the person proves that there was no abortion, who covers the legal fees? The bill explicitly covers the fees of the person bringing the suit, but provides no means for the person being sued to recover legal costs. The combination of these two facts means that operating a clinic that even is abortion adjacent will no longer be economically viable.
  - cseleborg 5y ago
    If I were living in Texas and looking for ways to combat this law, I'd look into launching some sort of DDOS on its proponents by suing as many of them as frequently as possible on frivolous grounds, like if they took a teenage child to school in a neighbourhood where there is also an abortion clinic within 2 hours of walking. Fortunately, I don't live anywhere near Texas...

As far as I understand that's one of the more insane parts of this law. You don't need to show you suffered any harm or loss, absolutely anyone can sue under this law.

philipov 5y ago

It's probably using some twisted justification like saying that abortions cause harm to society as a whole, and that gives any member of society standing.

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
More like "I'll be sent to hell if I don't save a soul". It's all selfishly motivated.
extropy 5y ago
So raising a child in very suboptimal conditions is high chance of child turning criminal later on. Or parents dropping put of school to provide for the child. It can well be argued both ways.
novok 5y ago
AFAIK that is the definition of a crime, and is enforced by the state accordingly.

thih9 5y ago

This seems ridiculous, to the point that I feel like I'm missing something. Does that mean that multiple people can sue a single person? If the person proves that there was no abortion, who covers the legal fees? Would it be possible to bait people into suing, get expensive lawyers and then provide proof that there was no abortion?

fabian2k 5y ago
Take this with a huge grain of salt as my information is mostly indirect and I'm certainly not a lawyer. But I've read that there is actually a provision in there that prevents the legal fees for the defendant to be covered even if they win. I suspect this will crash and burn not because it is insane, but because it's also a mess legally. But that will take time.
UncleMeat 5y ago
> Does that mean that multiple people can sue a single person? Yes, the bill enables thousands of suits to be filed, even if frivolous, against abortion providers. > If the person proves that there was no abortion, who covers the legal fees? The bill explicitly covers the fees of the person bringing the suit, but provides no means for the person being sued to recover legal costs. The combination of these two facts means that operating a clinic that even is abortion adjacent will no longer be economically viable.
- cseleborg 5y ago
  If I were living in Texas and looking for ways to combat this law, I'd look into launching some sort of DDOS on its proponents by suing as many of them as frequently as possible on frivolous grounds, like if they took a teenage child to school in a neighbourhood where there is also an abortion clinic within 2 hours of walking. Fortunately, I don't live anywhere near Texas...