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Emergency medicine doctors appear to routinely suffer from this: most are expected to stay after their 12-hour shifts (some EDs have 8, 9, or 10 hour shifts, bu

Emergency medicine doctors appear to routinely suffer from this: most are expected to stay after their 12-hour shifts (some EDs have 8, 9, or 10 hour shifts, but 12 is common) to finish charting and take care of other tasks, but hospitals never pay for this time. I've asked EM docs about taking this to state labor boards and the like, but most seem not to think that wage theft is a problem, or fear retaliation too much to do so.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Docs are typically salaried, aren’t they?
- jseliger 5y ago
  An excellent point: some are, but many aren't, particularly in fields like emergency medicine (EM) and anesthesia. 1099 work is common as is hourly w-2 work.
tedunangst 5y ago
I imagine there's an equilibrium, where they can be paid $25 per hour for eight hours and do ten hours of work, or follow strict time keeping and get paid $20 per hour for ten hours. Both parties to the agreement seem to have an understanding that there's a certain amount of work to do and a certain amount of compensation provided.
astura 5y ago
Are you sure these doctors are paid hourly? Because if they are salaried they are exempt from the FLSA and not entitled to overtime. (Mind you, that doesn't actually prevent hospitals from paying overtime, they just aren't required to.)
bserge 5y ago
I usually shit on them all, but maybe I shouldn't. It was the legal system that forced powers onto them, after all.
dataflow 5y ago
Flight attendants might be another example.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  Some of the airline contracts are really odd. IIRC: Some roles are paid only when the door is closed. Some flying roles are paid one rate while the airplane is chocked and another rate when it’s unchocked. Pilots are paid a minimum number of hours per month; some are paid to sit in ready reserve and others have to sit on reserve as assigned as part of the agreement to get the monthly guarantee. It’s messy for sure.
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ceejayoz 5y ago

Docs are typically salaried, aren’t they?

jseliger 5y ago
An excellent point: some are, but many aren't, particularly in fields like emergency medicine (EM) and anesthesia. 1099 work is common as is hourly w-2 work.

tedunangst 5y ago

I imagine there's an equilibrium, where they can be paid $25 per hour for eight hours and do ten hours of work, or follow strict time keeping and get paid $20 per hour for ten hours. Both parties to the agreement seem to have an understanding that there's a certain amount of work to do and a certain amount of compensation provided.

astura 5y ago

Are you sure these doctors are paid hourly? Because if they are salaried they are exempt from the FLSA and not entitled to overtime. (Mind you, that doesn't actually prevent hospitals from paying overtime, they just aren't required to.)

bserge 5y ago

I usually shit on them all, but maybe I shouldn't. It was the legal system that forced powers onto them, after all.

dataflow 5y ago

Flight attendants might be another example.

sokoloff 5y ago
Some of the airline contracts are really odd. IIRC: Some roles are paid only when the door is closed. Some flying roles are paid one rate while the airplane is chocked and another rate when it’s unchocked. Pilots are paid a minimum number of hours per month; some are paid to sit in ready reserve and others have to sit on reserve as assigned as part of the agreement to get the monthly guarantee. It’s messy for sure.
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