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I’m not sure I follow, are you saying that there is a ‘anti-life’ group that believes women should be required to have state required abortions? I’m not being

I’m not sure I follow, are you saying that there is a ‘anti-life’ group that believes women should be required to have state required abortions? I’m not being saracastic; I would like you to elaborate on the ‘anti-life / anti-choice’ group.

Y_Y 5y ago
I'm being facetious, but with a purpose. I think all the labels people use here are spin. I want to underline the absurdity, by making the pedantic point that banning abortions isn't the only way to take away someone's choice. Everyone likes life, and everyone likes having choices. It's disingenuous to assert that that's what the debate is about.
- baldeagle 5y ago
  I think there is a debate of when ‘life’ happens. And that more or less everyone is against removing life that has already happened (directly, not in an underfunding school nutrition and living wages sorta way). So the side that believes life happens at conception is literally removing choice from those that believe it happens at birth. Ironically, many advocates of life at conception also are against sexual education and universal birth control, or in favor of promoting that abstaining from sexual relations should be the solution. This context makes it more about governing how women make choice regarding their bodies (in sexual manners and in conception manners) and largely insult men from those same consequences. Please note that the law makes not allowance for incest or rape- so if one was a victim of these crimes, they would still be required to carry and deliver the child. A child in the case of incest that is likely to be genetically mutated such to lead to a life of suffering (for the child and those caring for them).
  - Y_Y 5y ago
    I wouldn't disagree with any of that, and I hope I didn't imply that I would. You correctly mention that people who oppose abortion often also oppose allowing some different choices, if this is what's commonly understood by the term "pro-choice" then I was mistaken and find the terminology confusing.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    Life starts before conception. "Life" isn't a good standard. Mold growing on bread is alive. We end life all the time, eg by cutting your lawn. What you're looking for is sentience or something like that.
epakai 5y ago
Anti-natalists are against childbearing, but I'm not sure if they ever argue for forced abortions. They might actively encourage abortions whereas many pro-choice advocates would want to reduce abortions while keeping them available.

Y_Y 5y ago

I'm being facetious, but with a purpose. I think all the labels people use here are spin. I want to underline the absurdity, by making the pedantic point that banning abortions isn't the only way to take away someone's choice. Everyone likes life, and everyone likes having choices. It's disingenuous to assert that that's what the debate is about.

baldeagle 5y ago
I think there is a debate of when ‘life’ happens. And that more or less everyone is against removing life that has already happened (directly, not in an underfunding school nutrition and living wages sorta way). So the side that believes life happens at conception is literally removing choice from those that believe it happens at birth. Ironically, many advocates of life at conception also are against sexual education and universal birth control, or in favor of promoting that abstaining from sexual relations should be the solution. This context makes it more about governing how women make choice regarding their bodies (in sexual manners and in conception manners) and largely insult men from those same consequences. Please note that the law makes not allowance for incest or rape- so if one was a victim of these crimes, they would still be required to carry and deliver the child. A child in the case of incest that is likely to be genetically mutated such to lead to a life of suffering (for the child and those caring for them).
- Y_Y 5y ago
  I wouldn't disagree with any of that, and I hope I didn't imply that I would. You correctly mention that people who oppose abortion often also oppose allowing some different choices, if this is what's commonly understood by the term "pro-choice" then I was mistaken and find the terminology confusing.
- mindslight 5y ago
  Life starts before conception. "Life" isn't a good standard. Mold growing on bread is alive. We end life all the time, eg by cutting your lawn. What you're looking for is sentience or something like that.

epakai 5y ago

Anti-natalists are against childbearing, but I'm not sure if they ever argue for forced abortions. They might actively encourage abortions whereas many pro-choice advocates would want to reduce abortions while keeping them available.