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This is usually a good example of societal bias compounding. It's possible that nobody directly involved in this was actively racist, but we're building on cen
by dagmx 5y ago
This is usually a good example of societal bias compounding.
It's possible that nobody directly involved in this was actively racist, but we're building on centuries of racism in every facet. So a little bit of bias in each technology and data set involved, not to mention the engineers and their testing, just adds up
- salawat 5y ago>but we're building on centuries of racism in every facet. Nooo. We're building on techniques that have worked well enough up til now, but people don't bother to dig in a d come to terms with what's actually going on. Not everything is racist. It's more a tyranny of 'good enough' and convenience.
- dagmx 5y agoSo you're saying there's no bias in the data sets , or in society? Do you think that someone who thinks there's no bias in their dataset would then dig in to see what's going on? Do you think people are going to recognize the negative biases in the data if they don't face those issues themselves? Bigotry is part of society, because it's existed for so long and still does. It doesn't mean that everyone is actively racist. It just means you can't just say there's no bigotry affecting things, and in saying there isn't, you're now blinding yourself to the possibility of negative biases.
- dv_dt 5y agoOnce we know about the the systemic bias, even if accumulated unintentionally - then what do we do about it. I think we are obligated morally and technically to do more after that point. A similar situation exists with accommodation of people with disabilities. Once you know a building architecture can shut out people by design decisions- at some point we worked through at least some basic level of agreement on principle that accommodation is required.