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This story is moving fast. They are currently hosted at Epik, some time hosting provider to Daily Stormer, 8chan, and Gab. https://twitter.com/MeInAPearTree/sta

This story is moving fast. They are currently hosted at Epik, some time hosting provider to Daily Stormer, 8chan, and Gab. https://twitter.com/MeInAPearTree/status/1434018534397460484 https://twitter.com/MeInAPearTree/status/1434018534397460484

rvz 5y ago
So the website still exists and now they found a different domain provider within 24 hours after being de-platformed by GoDaddy? What have these 'script-kiddies' and 'hacktivists' achieved other than making these websites more resilient and censorship resistant? What's next? complain to Google Inc, that they are using ReCAPTCHA because they don't like the website? Perhaps this means anyone can do these sort of methods to anyone else who they don't like until they become censorship resistant. Unfortunately, the website owners have not changed their minds and the site is still up and the law (which I also disagree with) is still in effect. If they were expecting a backlash, it didn't happen. This is a complete and total failure. Downvoters: So you are telling me that the website is still down then? So they didn't find a domain provider to move to? Are you telling me that they are still on GoDaddy? Is there any evidence that substantiates this? Are you really sure?
- NelsonMinar 5y ago
  The failure started with the Texas Lege and then the Supreme Court. BTW you're misusing the terms "script-kiddies" and "hacktivists".
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - rvz 5y ago
    The website in question is still up isn't it? Despite everything that has happened, that dreadful law is still in effect and no-one's minds had been changed. It is as if nothing had happened. > BTW you're misusing the terms "script-kiddies" and "hacktivists". How exactly? Elaborate. Your claim needs to be substantiated. If you cannot elaborate further with any evidence, I can rapidly dismiss your claim as baseless. I also invite anyone else to support the parent's comment against mine. Discuss.
    - SiempreViernes 5y ago
      Aside from the obvious problem that this is the company itself pulling it down and so no hacking is going on, Go Daddy is like the most mundane hosting company there is and you can't be anything as transgressive as a hacktivist there. Maybe you could get away with calling the responsible corporate drones in the legal department at Linode "hacktivists", but definitely not those at Go Daddy. The insistence that "script kiddie" is applicable is obviously some sort of 4d chess type of sarcasm trap and I won't engage in it further.
      - rvz 5y ago
        > Aside from the obvious problem that this is the company itself pulling it down and so no hacking is going on, Where did I directly accuse GoDaddy Inc. of taking down the website as 'hacking' or describing them generally as 'hacktivists'? Given they are a private platform, they have the right to terminate service to anyone for violating their Terms of Service. As for the hacktivism and script-kiddie claims, the context is from [1] > The developer, whose social media identifies him as Sean Black, also made an iOS shortcut making it easier for non-technical activists to participate as well. > In the first video, Black says the script sends one request to the Texas website around every 10 to 15 seconds. In the second, Black adds that the script sent around 300 requests in all at the time of upload before the site blocked his IP address. Does that also mean its fine for me to do it to someones website because I don't like their website? So it's also fine to distribute malicious scripts and to encourage non-technical users to just hit the run button with the intention to DDoS and attempt to flood and bring down someones website because they don't like the website? If that is not script-kiddie behaviour, I don't know what is. > The insistence that "script kiddie" is applicable is obviously some sort of 4d chess type of sarcasm trap and I won't engage in it further. 4d chess type of what? Read the whole context [0] [1] [2] first before assuming such nonsense. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/texas-abortion-law-tiktok-reddit-whistleblower https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/texas-aborti... [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x9ba/tiktok-texas-abortion-law-bot-site-ios-shortcut https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x9ba/tiktok-texas-abortion... [2] https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/3/22656196/godaddy-texas-right-for-life-abortion-whistleblowing-site https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/3/22656196/godaddy-texas-rig...
knodi 5y ago
big shocker neo-nazi hosting provider accepted them.
- ApolloFortyNine 5y ago
  Seems to me like the same problem Voat ran into. Generally, subreddits are banned for a reason, so any site that allows essentially any legal content is filled with those not allowed elsewhere. So when people want an alternative to reddit, the biggest one is filled with people that the majority don't want to deal with. And so those people tend to just stay on reddit. Epik hosting is simply acting as a dumb pipe. But because you really only look for alternatives if the big players kick you out, they're linked to those services now.
  - mintplant 5y ago
    I think this paints Epik as more unbiased and neutral than it actually is. Rob Monster, Epik's founder, appears personally sympathetic to the views of those his company is now known for serving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster#Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster#Politics
smoldesu 5y ago
I see a lot of people who are mad that they got picked up by Epik, and even as someone who thinks these sites are reprehensible, this is frankly the right course of action. If Epik wants to cater to that crowd, then they can continue to accumulate 'rejected actors' from other services until they fail to effectively moderate their community. It's only a matter of time until that ticking time bomb explodes, and it's a total "not my problem" moment for everyone involved. You want to really hurt their site? Just furnish their database with randomly generated names and addresses. Data poisoning is one of the easiest, cleanest, and effective ways to ruin someone's crowdsourcing campaign if you pull it off properly. Getting angry at people on the internet for having a voice though, that's just a tad petty.
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  My thought has been that an AI trained to submit plausible submissions, coontinuously trained against accepted and rejected submissions, would be more effective. Or a simple DDoS flood.
- atrus 5y ago
  How hard would it be to filter out those items though? Shouldn't there be a way to "delete all data from this IP". It sounds like a lot of work to have a set of rotating IPs and act as multiple different people to get this done.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    > if you pull it off properly The hope is that you don't transmit any kind of personal information in any identifiable pattern. If you get that much right, it can be exceptionally effective. Disclosure: me and my friends used to DOS self-hosted inboxes like this
  - SiempreViernes 5y ago
    That requires the creators of the site to set up ip logging of submissions from the start.

rvz 5y ago

So the website still exists and now they found a different domain provider within 24 hours after being de-platformed by GoDaddy? What have these 'script-kiddies' and 'hacktivists' achieved other than making these websites more resilient and censorship resistant? What's next? complain to Google Inc, that they are using ReCAPTCHA because they don't like the website? Perhaps this means anyone can do these sort of methods to anyone else who they don't like until they become censorship resistant. Unfortunately, the website owners have not changed their minds and the site is still up and the law (which I also disagree with) is still in effect. If they were expecting a backlash, it didn't happen. This is a complete and total failure. Downvoters: So you are telling me that the website is still down then? So they didn't find a domain provider to move to? Are you telling me that they are still on GoDaddy? Is there any evidence that substantiates this? Are you really sure?

NelsonMinar 5y ago
The failure started with the Texas Lege and then the Supreme Court. BTW you're misusing the terms "script-kiddies" and "hacktivists".
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- rvz 5y ago
  The website in question is still up isn't it? Despite everything that has happened, that dreadful law is still in effect and no-one's minds had been changed. It is as if nothing had happened. > BTW you're misusing the terms "script-kiddies" and "hacktivists". How exactly? Elaborate. Your claim needs to be substantiated. If you cannot elaborate further with any evidence, I can rapidly dismiss your claim as baseless. I also invite anyone else to support the parent's comment against mine. Discuss.
  - SiempreViernes 5y ago
    Aside from the obvious problem that this is the company itself pulling it down and so no hacking is going on, Go Daddy is like the most mundane hosting company there is and you can't be anything as transgressive as a hacktivist there. Maybe you could get away with calling the responsible corporate drones in the legal department at Linode "hacktivists", but definitely not those at Go Daddy. The insistence that "script kiddie" is applicable is obviously some sort of 4d chess type of sarcasm trap and I won't engage in it further.
    - rvz 5y ago
      > Aside from the obvious problem that this is the company itself pulling it down and so no hacking is going on, Where did I directly accuse GoDaddy Inc. of taking down the website as 'hacking' or describing them generally as 'hacktivists'? Given they are a private platform, they have the right to terminate service to anyone for violating their Terms of Service. As for the hacktivism and script-kiddie claims, the context is from [1] > The developer, whose social media identifies him as Sean Black, also made an iOS shortcut making it easier for non-technical activists to participate as well. > In the first video, Black says the script sends one request to the Texas website around every 10 to 15 seconds. In the second, Black adds that the script sent around 300 requests in all at the time of upload before the site blocked his IP address. Does that also mean its fine for me to do it to someones website because I don't like their website? So it's also fine to distribute malicious scripts and to encourage non-technical users to just hit the run button with the intention to DDoS and attempt to flood and bring down someones website because they don't like the website? If that is not script-kiddie behaviour, I don't know what is. > The insistence that "script kiddie" is applicable is obviously some sort of 4d chess type of sarcasm trap and I won't engage in it further. 4d chess type of what? Read the whole context [0] [1] [2] first before assuming such nonsense. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/texas-abortion-law-tiktok-reddit-whistleblower https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/texas-aborti... [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x9ba/tiktok-texas-abortion-law-bot-site-ios-shortcut https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x9ba/tiktok-texas-abortion... [2] https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/3/22656196/godaddy-texas-right-for-life-abortion-whistleblowing-site https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/3/22656196/godaddy-texas-rig...

knodi 5y ago

big shocker neo-nazi hosting provider accepted them.

ApolloFortyNine 5y ago
Seems to me like the same problem Voat ran into. Generally, subreddits are banned for a reason, so any site that allows essentially any legal content is filled with those not allowed elsewhere. So when people want an alternative to reddit, the biggest one is filled with people that the majority don't want to deal with. And so those people tend to just stay on reddit. Epik hosting is simply acting as a dumb pipe. But because you really only look for alternatives if the big players kick you out, they're linked to those services now.
- mintplant 5y ago
  I think this paints Epik as more unbiased and neutral than it actually is. Rob Monster, Epik's founder, appears personally sympathetic to the views of those his company is now known for serving. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster#Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster#Politics

smoldesu 5y ago

I see a lot of people who are mad that they got picked up by Epik, and even as someone who thinks these sites are reprehensible, this is frankly the right course of action. If Epik wants to cater to that crowd, then they can continue to accumulate 'rejected actors' from other services until they fail to effectively moderate their community. It's only a matter of time until that ticking time bomb explodes, and it's a total "not my problem" moment for everyone involved. You want to really hurt their site? Just furnish their database with randomly generated names and addresses. Data poisoning is one of the easiest, cleanest, and effective ways to ruin someone's crowdsourcing campaign if you pull it off properly. Getting angry at people on the internet for having a voice though, that's just a tad petty.

dredmorbius 5y ago
My thought has been that an AI trained to submit plausible submissions, coontinuously trained against accepted and rejected submissions, would be more effective. Or a simple DDoS flood.
atrus 5y ago
How hard would it be to filter out those items though? Shouldn't there be a way to "delete all data from this IP". It sounds like a lot of work to have a set of rotating IPs and act as multiple different people to get this done.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  > if you pull it off properly The hope is that you don't transmit any kind of personal information in any identifiable pattern. If you get that much right, it can be exceptionally effective. Disclosure: me and my friends used to DOS self-hosted inboxes like this
- SiempreViernes 5y ago
  That requires the creators of the site to set up ip logging of submissions from the start.