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Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

tomnipotent 5y ago
Yes, there are plenty of shitty incompetent doctors like there are with any other profession. Did these same doctors not contribute to the opioid crisis? Can every programmer understand every whitepaper and implement what they read?
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- cm2187 5y ago
  Agree, and I have no reason to believe that international and national health organisations don't have their own fair share of shitty incompetent doctors too.
- mrfusion 5y ago
  Yep, only listen to doctors that you agree with.
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    Or get a second opinion, like a grown-up. I don't listen to the first contractor or plumber on a big job, either. There is nothing special about the position or opinions of medical professionals that I shouldn't seek additional information or help.
    - zepto 5y ago
      > Or get a second opinion, like a grown-up. How frequently do you think people consult more than one doctor when they are sick? I know people do it for expensive, chronic conditions like cancer, but I’m guessing that for urgent infections diseases the frequency is vanishingly small.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  The only reason you think it's inherently shitty and incompetent for a doctor to prescribe ivermectin off-label for Covid is because you've bought into the dumb culture war politicization of it. I'm not a Bill Maher fan but he made a good point when he said "ivermectin isn't a registered Republican, it's a drug." Maybe it doesn't actually work (unlike so many on the other side of this issue I am at least willing to grant that the evidence is mixed), but in the doses it's being prescribed it has a very safe side-effect profile. Why is it that the only correct standard of care for an early-onset Covid case is "sit at home and hope it doesn't get worse"?
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    > dumb culture war politicization of it Maybe I'm a fan of science, of which there is NO evidence that Ivermectin works against COVID. It seems like maybe you're the one that bought into something. These doctors are doing nothing more than profiting off the fear of their patients, while offering no value other than what might be argued is a placebo. That doesn't stop these people from infecting others around them.
    - zepto 5y ago
      There certainly is evidence. It’s just inconclusive. There is sufficient evidence that more studies are being done. If you are a fan of science, I’m sure you’ll acknowledge this.
      - tomnipotent 5y ago
        Like all the evidence we had around the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine? The paper from Argentina around Ivermectin is already suspected of fraud. I won't hold my breath it'll end up with good results.
        zepto 5y ago
        If you were a believer in science, you’d understand that there is no connection between hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Edit: you dishonestly added the following to your comment after I replied: “The paper from Argentina around Ivermectin is already suspected of fraud. I won't hold my breath it'll end up with good results.” For what it’s worth, I’m not referring to that paper. But again, if you understood science, you would know better than to make assumptions about the results of a paper you have never seen.
cbg0 5y ago
> Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. [Citation needed] Also, for those that are prescribing it, this is not an FDA approved treatment for Covid.
- cm2187 5y ago
  Nor were covid vaccines until recently.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    Yes they were. They had an emergency use authorisation, which is more than you can say about the current bullshit silver bullet.
- toast0 5y ago
  > for those that are prescribing it, this is not an FDA approved treatment for Covid. Most (all?) off-label prescriptions aren't FDA approved for that use, that's what makes them off-label. Prescribing drugs off-label is an acceptable practice, although it's generally higher risk to do so than with an FDA approved treatment as there's less information available. I haven't looked into this particular off-label use, and it certainly has a lot of signs of poor advisability, but one way the medical community figures out what drugs work for conditions with limited treatment options is trying random things and reporting on what seems to work; then those things can be tested in more controlled situations.
kergonath 5y ago
Well, apparently, otherwise they would not be doing it.
devwastaken 5y ago
General clinical doctors are barely qualified to prescribe acetaminophen. They haven't been to medical school in 30 years, don't read medical studies, and have lost their ability to learn anything new. It's just a job to them. Also, there aren't thousands of doctors doing that. If so I'd love an actual source.

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

tomnipotent 5y ago

Yes, there are plenty of shitty incompetent doctors like there are with any other profession. Did these same doctors not contribute to the opioid crisis? Can every programmer understand every whitepaper and implement what they read?

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cm2187 5y ago
Agree, and I have no reason to believe that international and national health organisations don't have their own fair share of shitty incompetent doctors too.
mrfusion 5y ago
Yep, only listen to doctors that you agree with.
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  Or get a second opinion, like a grown-up. I don't listen to the first contractor or plumber on a big job, either. There is nothing special about the position or opinions of medical professionals that I shouldn't seek additional information or help.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > Or get a second opinion, like a grown-up. How frequently do you think people consult more than one doctor when they are sick? I know people do it for expensive, chronic conditions like cancer, but I’m guessing that for urgent infections diseases the frequency is vanishingly small.
AndrewBissell 5y ago
The only reason you think it's inherently shitty and incompetent for a doctor to prescribe ivermectin off-label for Covid is because you've bought into the dumb culture war politicization of it. I'm not a Bill Maher fan but he made a good point when he said "ivermectin isn't a registered Republican, it's a drug." Maybe it doesn't actually work (unlike so many on the other side of this issue I am at least willing to grant that the evidence is mixed), but in the doses it's being prescribed it has a very safe side-effect profile. Why is it that the only correct standard of care for an early-onset Covid case is "sit at home and hope it doesn't get worse"?
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  > dumb culture war politicization of it Maybe I'm a fan of science, of which there is NO evidence that Ivermectin works against COVID. It seems like maybe you're the one that bought into something. These doctors are doing nothing more than profiting off the fear of their patients, while offering no value other than what might be argued is a placebo. That doesn't stop these people from infecting others around them.
  - zepto 5y ago
    There certainly is evidence. It’s just inconclusive. There is sufficient evidence that more studies are being done. If you are a fan of science, I’m sure you’ll acknowledge this.
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      Like all the evidence we had around the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine? The paper from Argentina around Ivermectin is already suspected of fraud. I won't hold my breath it'll end up with good results.
      - zepto 5y ago
        If you were a believer in science, you’d understand that there is no connection between hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Edit: you dishonestly added the following to your comment after I replied: “The paper from Argentina around Ivermectin is already suspected of fraud. I won't hold my breath it'll end up with good results.” For what it’s worth, I’m not referring to that paper. But again, if you understood science, you would know better than to make assumptions about the results of a paper you have never seen.

cbg0 5y ago

> Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. [Citation needed] Also, for those that are prescribing it, this is not an FDA approved treatment for Covid.

cm2187 5y ago
Nor were covid vaccines until recently.
- kergonath 5y ago
  Yes they were. They had an emergency use authorisation, which is more than you can say about the current bullshit silver bullet.
toast0 5y ago
> for those that are prescribing it, this is not an FDA approved treatment for Covid. Most (all?) off-label prescriptions aren't FDA approved for that use, that's what makes them off-label. Prescribing drugs off-label is an acceptable practice, although it's generally higher risk to do so than with an FDA approved treatment as there's less information available. I haven't looked into this particular off-label use, and it certainly has a lot of signs of poor advisability, but one way the medical community figures out what drugs work for conditions with limited treatment options is trying random things and reporting on what seems to work; then those things can be tested in more controlled situations.

kergonath 5y ago

Well, apparently, otherwise they would not be doing it.

devwastaken 5y ago

General clinical doctors are barely qualified to prescribe acetaminophen. They haven't been to medical school in 30 years, don't read medical studies, and have lost their ability to learn anything new. It's just a job to them. Also, there aren't thousands of doctors doing that. If so I'd love an actual source.