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The GOP knows the only way they can keep power in Florida and Texas is by making sure people don’t move there unless they’re super conservative, hence all those

The GOP knows the only way they can keep power in Florida and Texas is by making sure people don’t move there unless they’re super conservative, hence all those stupid laws. The housing crisis in a lot of blue states has made a lot of middle class folks move to those states. Their electorate is mostly non-Hispanic white, non-immigrant and older and their numbers will continue to dwindle over time.

dfee 5y ago
This doesn’t seem recognizable to me. Do you live in Texas? (Yeah, parent comment has changed.)
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- s5300 5y ago
  No, as much as I don't like it, he is correct. Especially South Texas. A large factor is immigrants that went through the tedious years long drudgery that is the legal process for US citizenship being really pissed at the fact some may not have to go through the aforementioned like they did - misery loves company or something like that. Another is that these immigrants and minorities are typically fairly uneducated and truly believe the man with the golden shitter is actually like them and is going to help them. And some of it is trying to fit in with the preexisting community. If you're a brown person in a town of white religious/nationalistic fanatics that typically do not like brown people, vowing your loyalty to their guy is typically a quick way to fit in a bit better.
- big_youth 5y ago
  Yes, third generation Native with a house in urban Austin but currently near the Guadalupe Mountains out west. I know reddit isn't representative of the state but both /r/austin and /r/texas have had this conversation many times.[0][1] I personally agree with the thesis that Texas GOP see's the demographic writing on the wall and want to limit to more liberal immigrants. And because I already saw a comment mentioning it, I want to add that as a Mexican born and raised a border town I think the flipped Hispanic counties on the border are an anomaly. If you investigate the counties, like Zavala, that flipped, they are 1 largely blue collar men which love Trump (my roofer uncle), and 2 Zavala was actually one of the few counties that LOST population according to the 2020 census. The correlation is visible, the counties that had the highest population decline in Texas voted most heavily for Trump while the fast growing suburbs are now purple and blue. In this booming state the poor counties losing money and people are the ones voting GOP. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/phszk7/anyone_suddenly_want_to_leave_not_because_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/phszk7/anyone_sudde... [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/pgjze1/anyone_else_getting_the_urge_to_move_out_of_texas/ https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/pgjze1/anyone_else_g...
  - dfee 5y ago
    What part of “the parent comment has changed” did you not understand?
jjulius 5y ago
I think you're overthinking it, those states have been fighting to prevent abortion and restrict voting rights long before the current housing problems you're seeing in blue states. This is mostly just a continuation of that.
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
> Their electorate is mostly non-Hispanic white, non-immigrant and older and their numbers will continue to dwindle over time. This is a dangerous fallacy. As has been widely reported, Trump increased his standing with minorities in 2020 vs 2016. In some heavily Hispanic areas along the Texas border the swing toward Trump in 2020 was over 40 points compared to 2016.
seltzered_ 5y ago
Nope. "The economy of the State of Texas is the second largest by GDP in the United States after that of California." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas Texas has been growing rapidly in some areas, the thing is though is the political redistricting which means those voting power may skew towards those in rural areas. So if you see, for example, a technology company in a city like Austin trying to evangelize connecting to community to flip the vote, it might be effort done within a vacuum with less effectiveness than perceived.

dfee 5y ago

This doesn’t seem recognizable to me. Do you live in Texas? (Yeah, parent comment has changed.)

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s5300 5y ago
No, as much as I don't like it, he is correct. Especially South Texas. A large factor is immigrants that went through the tedious years long drudgery that is the legal process for US citizenship being really pissed at the fact some may not have to go through the aforementioned like they did - misery loves company or something like that. Another is that these immigrants and minorities are typically fairly uneducated and truly believe the man with the golden shitter is actually like them and is going to help them. And some of it is trying to fit in with the preexisting community. If you're a brown person in a town of white religious/nationalistic fanatics that typically do not like brown people, vowing your loyalty to their guy is typically a quick way to fit in a bit better.
big_youth 5y ago
Yes, third generation Native with a house in urban Austin but currently near the Guadalupe Mountains out west. I know reddit isn't representative of the state but both /r/austin and /r/texas have had this conversation many times.[0][1] I personally agree with the thesis that Texas GOP see's the demographic writing on the wall and want to limit to more liberal immigrants. And because I already saw a comment mentioning it, I want to add that as a Mexican born and raised a border town I think the flipped Hispanic counties on the border are an anomaly. If you investigate the counties, like Zavala, that flipped, they are 1 largely blue collar men which love Trump (my roofer uncle), and 2 Zavala was actually one of the few counties that LOST population according to the 2020 census. The correlation is visible, the counties that had the highest population decline in Texas voted most heavily for Trump while the fast growing suburbs are now purple and blue. In this booming state the poor counties losing money and people are the ones voting GOP. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/phszk7/anyone_suddenly_want_to_leave_not_because_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/phszk7/anyone_sudde... [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/pgjze1/anyone_else_getting_the_urge_to_move_out_of_texas/ https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/pgjze1/anyone_else_g...
- dfee 5y ago
  What part of “the parent comment has changed” did you not understand?

jjulius 5y ago

I think you're overthinking it, those states have been fighting to prevent abortion and restrict voting rights long before the current housing problems you're seeing in blue states. This is mostly just a continuation of that.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

> Their electorate is mostly non-Hispanic white, non-immigrant and older and their numbers will continue to dwindle over time. This is a dangerous fallacy. As has been widely reported, Trump increased his standing with minorities in 2020 vs 2016. In some heavily Hispanic areas along the Texas border the swing toward Trump in 2020 was over 40 points compared to 2016.

seltzered_ 5y ago

Nope. "The economy of the State of Texas is the second largest by GDP in the United States after that of California." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas Texas has been growing rapidly in some areas, the thing is though is the political redistricting which means those voting power may skew towards those in rural areas. So if you see, for example, a technology company in a city like Austin trying to evangelize connecting to community to flip the vote, it might be effort done within a vacuum with less effectiveness than perceived.