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I hate the phrase, because people on the other side use it to conflate longstanding serious thought and action on the matters with young naive liberal chatter.
by jrm4 5y ago
I hate the phrase, because people on the other side use it to conflate longstanding serious thought and action on the matters with young naive liberal chatter.
That being said, the easiest way to cut through most of it is to look toward people who have dealt with this sort of thing most of their lives, and "older black professionals" nearly always fit the bill.
There's an unfortunate 'survival of the fittest' bent to this -- i.e. if they're still in the workforce and/or politics, they've already survived a process that harshly punishes people who aren't good at it.
- hanselot 5y agoOf course that's only if their politics agree with the status quo. Otherwise they are labelled a coconut and deplatformed.
- iammisc 5y agoOlder black professionals will empirically speaking also be against transgenderism and homosexual marriage. To those who will inevitably down vote me, I am describing demographically informed stances on arguments not saying what the correct answer is.
- jrm4 5y agoAlmost. 5-10 years ago, they would be. In 5-10 years, they will almost certainly universally won't, and that's kind of part of my point; On one hand, yes, our "internal" debates on this type of stuff end up being very public, and as such, people who lean in strong directions become visible. But also, we tend to collectively adapt much quicker and much better. I'm pretty comfortable claiming that this will be the case based on my own experiences with friends and family. In college, I'd say about half of my black friends were pretty "homophobic" and exactly zero of those same people are still.
- iammisc 5y agoOkay... So basically you're claim is to listen to black professionals at some uncertain point in the future at which they'll agree with you? That's very... Woke.
- jrm4 5y agoMy claim is (at this present time, due to recent historical circumstances, on balance, especially those older and in the professional world) black folks tend to be much wiser and "more adaptable" than their non-black counterparts. Furthermore, I'll claim that the homophobia et al that you see is actually the process of a people learning to deal with new circumstances (e.g. if you look at black comedy from the 90's, you'll see a lot of stuff that doesn't age well -- BUT that should be recognized as literally the opposite of "problematic" -- what that was was learning and adapting and growth."