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Man charged with indecent exposure at LA spa after viral Instagram video

6 points by leephillips 5y ago

sschueller 5y ago
Bizarre to me as we here (Switzerland) have mixed changing rooms at pools and water parks. If you prefer more privacy you can use one of the little curtain booths but you will see breasts and men's junks irregardless. Saunas are also usually mixed except for the women only days. I have been to these places many times as a kid and it did not traumatize me or any other kid.
- leephillips 5y ago
  Expectations around nudity and personal space vary greatly among cultures, even among different subcultures withing the larger European culture. The common expectation in North America are that men and women will be segregated in places such as changing rooms where nudity is normal. There are many exceptions, such as mixed-sex saunas: but the important thing is that people going into these spaces know that they are mixed-sex. In the case discussed here, the changing rooms were labeled, indicating male or female. Women entering their changing room are led to expect it to be a female-only space. It’s abusive of the Spa to allow men to parade around naked in that space, whether or not these men utter some incantation about how they “identify”. It’s a good sign that at least the police are still willing to recognize this as the crime that it is. EDIT: I sincerely hope that as you gain more exposure to people raised in different cultures, you leave behind the impulse to describe other people as “bizarre”.
chuckee 5y ago
> prosecutors in indecent exposure cases have to prove a defendant not only “willfully exposed” themselves in front of others, but that the person did so with the intention of arousing themselves or sexually offending another individual. Is this affected if the incident takes place in a private facility, where people are expected to be nude? It would seem to me that if you go somewhere that you know accepts transgender people, and where you can expect to see people nude, you forfeit any right to claim "sexual offense" once you see someone nude, transgender or otherwise. To put it another way, would it make sense to prosecute indecent exposure at a nudist beach?
ajay-b 5y ago
Another example of the mob reacting before the facts. I am curious if the internet had made mob reactions easier, more frequent, or just more visible.

6 points by leephillips 5y ago

Bizarre to me as we here (Switzerland) have mixed changing rooms at pools and water parks. If you prefer more privacy you can use one of the little curtain booths but you will see breasts and men's junks irregardless. Saunas are also usually mixed except for the women only days. I have been to these places many times as a kid and it did not traumatize me or any other kid.

leephillips 5y ago
Expectations around nudity and personal space vary greatly among cultures, even among different subcultures withing the larger European culture. The common expectation in North America are that men and women will be segregated in places such as changing rooms where nudity is normal. There are many exceptions, such as mixed-sex saunas: but the important thing is that people going into these spaces know that they are mixed-sex. In the case discussed here, the changing rooms were labeled, indicating male or female. Women entering their changing room are led to expect it to be a female-only space. It’s abusive of the Spa to allow men to parade around naked in that space, whether or not these men utter some incantation about how they “identify”. It’s a good sign that at least the police are still willing to recognize this as the crime that it is. EDIT: I sincerely hope that as you gain more exposure to people raised in different cultures, you leave behind the impulse to describe other people as “bizarre”.

chuckee 5y ago

> prosecutors in indecent exposure cases have to prove a defendant not only “willfully exposed” themselves in front of others, but that the person did so with the intention of arousing themselves or sexually offending another individual. Is this affected if the incident takes place in a private facility, where people are expected to be nude? It would seem to me that if you go somewhere that you know accepts transgender people, and where you can expect to see people nude, you forfeit any right to claim "sexual offense" once you see someone nude, transgender or otherwise. To put it another way, would it make sense to prosecute indecent exposure at a nudist beach?

ajay-b 5y ago

Another example of the mob reacting before the facts. I am curious if the internet had made mob reactions easier, more frequent, or just more visible.