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It’s not really a conspiracy as it doesn’t need to be centralized. Class resentment articles don’t get traction with upper class media gatekeepers but white gui

It’s not really a conspiracy as it doesn’t need to be centralized. Class resentment articles don’t get traction with upper class media gatekeepers but white guilt does. So the market produces what the gatekeepers want.

aeQu5igh 5y ago
This was, quite ironically, often missed by critics of feminism. They would say: What do you mean, a secret conspiracy by all men in a smoke-filled room to keep all women down? As if there was no such thing as incentives and soft power.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  In fairness, they were probably trying to elicit a more detailed description of the nebulous “patriarchy” that seems to be behind every social ill in the eyes of the feminist.
ransom1538 5y ago
"upper class media gatekeepers" I do enjoy CNN anchors lecturing and belittling middle America from Martha's Vineyard. It's some sick fetish of mine. Equipped with the latest air pod pros and Zoom they don't have to leave their beach front properties.
zozbot234 5y ago
It's especially ironic since "upper class media" are far whiter than many other industries. Yet somehow, they're never expected to undergo the Maoist self-criticism and struggle sessions they demand from others.
- bsksi 5y ago
  White is not the race you're looking at.
  - idroveatrain 5y ago
    Is "white" really even a race? There's a lot of distinct people in Europe. Are Spaniards, Portugese, Italians "white" are Slavs "white"? Scottish or Irish? Germans? Where do we draw the line of distinction? Or are we just going off skin color?
    - marton78 5y ago
      White in this context follows the definition on the US census
      - skissane 5y ago
        I'm not sure it actually does. Officially the US census defines "White" as "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" [0] However, the "Middle East, or North Africa" part seems rather disputed in American culture. Some Americans are happy to view the Middle Eastern and North African people (MENA for short) as "White", and some MENA Americans are happy to identify as "White". Other Americans disagree that MENA people count as "White", and some MENA Americans disagree with the application of the "White" label to themselves. [1] The US Census Bureau proposed to add a separate MENA racial category to the 2020 US Census, [2] but later dropped the proposal, allegedly due to political pressure from the Trump administration [3] Another issue is the status of Hispanic people. Approximately 65% of all Hispanic/Latino people in the US identify as "White" (that's what they put down on their Census forms), but I know from discussions I've had with Americans on this topic that some of them don't actually perceive "White"-identified Hispanic/Latino people as "White". And many US sources, e.g [4], claim that the US will become "minority white" around 2045; that is only true if one excludes "White Hispanics" from the category "White" – if one includes "White Hispanics" as "White", the US will likely still be majority "White" by the end of this century – but this just shows how even in official contexts "White Hispanics" are often not considered "really White". Many other countries sidestep these kinds of issues by officially avoiding putting people into broad racial categories, and focusing instead on narrower ethnicity/nationality/ancestry categories (Nigerian, Mexican, Argentine, Irish, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Iranian, Indian, Arab, Jewish, Kurdish, Tibetan, etc). But, viewing human diversity as coarse rather than fine-grained groups is deeply entrenched in American culture, and seems in the last few years to have become even more emphasised than it was in the past, so it appears unlikely that America will follow the example of any of these other countries any time soon. [0] https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html [1] https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-north-africa-race/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-no... [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/03/11/519548276/for-some-arab-americans-checking-a-census-box-is-complicated https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/03/11/519548276... [3] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/1/why-is-there-no-mena-category-on-the-2020-us-census https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/1/why-is-there-no-mena... [4] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-will-become-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-...
- TheGreatReset 5y ago
  Jewish, not White.

aeQu5igh 5y ago

This was, quite ironically, often missed by critics of feminism. They would say: What do you mean, a secret conspiracy by all men in a smoke-filled room to keep all women down? As if there was no such thing as incentives and soft power.

throwaway894345 5y ago
In fairness, they were probably trying to elicit a more detailed description of the nebulous “patriarchy” that seems to be behind every social ill in the eyes of the feminist.

ransom1538 5y ago

"upper class media gatekeepers" I do enjoy CNN anchors lecturing and belittling middle America from Martha's Vineyard. It's some sick fetish of mine. Equipped with the latest air pod pros and Zoom they don't have to leave their beach front properties.

zozbot234 5y ago

It's especially ironic since "upper class media" are far whiter than many other industries. Yet somehow, they're never expected to undergo the Maoist self-criticism and struggle sessions they demand from others.

bsksi 5y ago
White is not the race you're looking at.
- idroveatrain 5y ago
  Is "white" really even a race? There's a lot of distinct people in Europe. Are Spaniards, Portugese, Italians "white" are Slavs "white"? Scottish or Irish? Germans? Where do we draw the line of distinction? Or are we just going off skin color?
  - marton78 5y ago
    White in this context follows the definition on the US census
    - skissane 5y ago
      I'm not sure it actually does. Officially the US census defines "White" as "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa" [0] However, the "Middle East, or North Africa" part seems rather disputed in American culture. Some Americans are happy to view the Middle Eastern and North African people (MENA for short) as "White", and some MENA Americans are happy to identify as "White". Other Americans disagree that MENA people count as "White", and some MENA Americans disagree with the application of the "White" label to themselves. [1] The US Census Bureau proposed to add a separate MENA racial category to the 2020 US Census, [2] but later dropped the proposal, allegedly due to political pressure from the Trump administration [3] Another issue is the status of Hispanic people. Approximately 65% of all Hispanic/Latino people in the US identify as "White" (that's what they put down on their Census forms), but I know from discussions I've had with Americans on this topic that some of them don't actually perceive "White"-identified Hispanic/Latino people as "White". And many US sources, e.g [4], claim that the US will become "minority white" around 2045; that is only true if one excludes "White Hispanics" from the category "White" – if one includes "White Hispanics" as "White", the US will likely still be majority "White" by the end of this century – but this just shows how even in official contexts "White Hispanics" are often not considered "really White". Many other countries sidestep these kinds of issues by officially avoiding putting people into broad racial categories, and focusing instead on narrower ethnicity/nationality/ancestry categories (Nigerian, Mexican, Argentine, Irish, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Iranian, Indian, Arab, Jewish, Kurdish, Tibetan, etc). But, viewing human diversity as coarse rather than fine-grained groups is deeply entrenched in American culture, and seems in the last few years to have become even more emphasised than it was in the past, so it appears unlikely that America will follow the example of any of these other countries any time soon. [0] https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html [1] https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-north-africa-race/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-census-middle-east-no... [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/03/11/519548276/for-some-arab-americans-checking-a-census-box-is-complicated https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/03/11/519548276... [3] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/1/why-is-there-no-mena-category-on-the-2020-us-census https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/1/why-is-there-no-mena... [4] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-will-become-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-...
TheGreatReset 5y ago
Jewish, not White.