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Somewhat similar are “moped cars” which can be driven with a moped license in many European countries. This can bring the age when youth can drive down to 15 o

Somewhat similar are “moped cars” which can be driven with a moped license in many European countries. This can bring the age when youth can drive down to 15 or 16 years old. Most of the manufacturers I am familiar with are French, and lots of 15 year olds drive them in Sweden. They have tiny Diesel engines and are limited to two seats, very light weight and max 45kph. I’m Sweden there is another class of car where you convert a normal sized car into something that is legally a tractor. These can also be driven at 15 years old, and are limited to just 30kph but are much cheaper than moped cars.

aidenn0 5y ago
Seeing that another comment says that Kei cars are no good over 80, I think there's a wide difference between the two.
- willvarfar 5y ago
  The speed of moped cars and “tractors” is limited by law, not physics. Moped cars are very similar to the kei cars that I have seen. Swedish tractors are something else: I have seen 15 year olds driving Porsche “tractors” in Sweden.
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    I don't agree that they are in any way related. It's like saying a SUV is like a real truck. Sure if the SUV is big and the truck is tiny. Those "moped cars" are more closely related to a bicycle than a car.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    They look similar but are very different. Moped cars have essentially lawn mower engines in them, 3-6 kW or something like that (the limit is 50 cc iirc). Kei cars have around 50 kW engines (with probably more than one cylinder), which is very much "real car" territory.
    - willvarfar 5y ago
      Moped cars can be 500cc and some models are sold in other countries limited to 80kph. They remind me of kei cars. They aren’t kei cars. The biggest difference apart from two seats is noise; moped cars in Sweden have a weight limit of 350kg and there is zero sound proofing!
Hamuko 5y ago
The moped cars are super unsafe. They're designed to be driven inside a city, but no one in a city actually needs one, so they all go to kids that live in either suburbs or in more rural places. Then they're driven on roads where all of the other cars are bigger and going faster. There was a case a couple of years back where someone suicidal was driving his Mercedes-Benz van and (according to his statement) thought that the oncoming lights were from a truck and drove towards it. However, it was actually a moped car. This is what happened to the van: https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/a659907378c54818bbc915ea2c958b75.jpg https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/a659907378c54818bbc915e... And this is the moped car: https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/2965ca321c7a47758ca5a81ff8406b1c.jpg https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/2965ca321c7a47758ca5a81... Van driver got away with minor injuries, the two youths inside the moped car died instantly.

aidenn0 5y ago

Seeing that another comment says that Kei cars are no good over 80, I think there's a wide difference between the two.

willvarfar 5y ago
The speed of moped cars and “tractors” is limited by law, not physics. Moped cars are very similar to the kei cars that I have seen. Swedish tractors are something else: I have seen 15 year olds driving Porsche “tractors” in Sweden.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  I don't agree that they are in any way related. It's like saying a SUV is like a real truck. Sure if the SUV is big and the truck is tiny. Those "moped cars" are more closely related to a bicycle than a car.
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  They look similar but are very different. Moped cars have essentially lawn mower engines in them, 3-6 kW or something like that (the limit is 50 cc iirc). Kei cars have around 50 kW engines (with probably more than one cylinder), which is very much "real car" territory.
  - willvarfar 5y ago
    Moped cars can be 500cc and some models are sold in other countries limited to 80kph. They remind me of kei cars. They aren’t kei cars. The biggest difference apart from two seats is noise; moped cars in Sweden have a weight limit of 350kg and there is zero sound proofing!

Hamuko 5y ago

The moped cars are super unsafe. They're designed to be driven inside a city, but no one in a city actually needs one, so they all go to kids that live in either suburbs or in more rural places. Then they're driven on roads where all of the other cars are bigger and going faster. There was a case a couple of years back where someone suicidal was driving his Mercedes-Benz van and (according to his statement) thought that the oncoming lights were from a truck and drove towards it. However, it was actually a moped car. This is what happened to the van: https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/a659907378c54818bbc915ea2c958b75.jpg https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/a659907378c54818bbc915e... And this is the moped car: https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/2965ca321c7a47758ca5a81ff8406b1c.jpg https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/2965ca321c7a47758ca5a81... Van driver got away with minor injuries, the two youths inside the moped car died instantly.