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I'm not so worried about the fridge ratting me out. Cars on the other hand have lots of potential. Every traffic light could have a red light camera if it's the

I'm not so worried about the fridge ratting me out. Cars on the other hand have lots of potential. Every traffic light could have a red light camera if it's the car watching and reporting.

jorvi 5y ago
In The Netherlands we had this problem with vehicle plate scanners. At first, they were strictly for vehicle tax purposes. Then later it came out they could be used by our three (well, four) letter agency in extraordinary circumstances. Then the police could request access in extreme cases, then less extreme, and now the ‘requesting access’ is nothing more than an automated process that is logged. Build it and they will come.
- ryantgtg 5y ago
  Sounds like you’re describing an external device monitoring vehicle actions. The person you’re replying to is describing the vehicle monitoring and reporting its own actions. In my opinion, people have proven themselves too irresponsible in cars (in a way that results in them regularly killing other people), and while I dislike surveillance, I am for the monitoring/reporting measures that are in some European countries.
  - parineum 5y ago
    He's describing an already existing slippery slope to warn against the slippery slope of putting surveillance in the cars themselves.
  - monkeybutton 5y ago
    Right. Like Apple's on-device scanning and reporting, cars could scan and report bad behaviours. Toyotas already can detect when a driver is drowsy based on their driving and prompts them to take a break. How hard would it be to make it call police when the driving is severely impaired?
  - haswell 5y ago
    Driving is a privilege. Historically, the solution to irresponsible driving is to revoke that privilege. Why should law abiding drivers be subjected to surveillance caused by the irresponsible crowd? Why is removing one’s driving privileges not enough? Proactive monitoring/reporting is the stuff of slippery slopes and Minority Report is the direction we’re going at this point…
    - notriddle 5y ago
      If you want to treat driving as a privilege, then the city needs to be built with non-driving citizens in mind.
    - ryantgtg 5y ago
      It’s because revoking privileges is not an effective means of getting these drivers off the road. It’s not a magic force field that prevents people from sitting behind the wheel. All you’re doing is taking a slip of paper away from people who have already demonstrated themselves to not only be irresponsible but also indifferent toward the law. In fact, revoking driving privileges can be counter productive because it takes away their ability to be insured while driving.

I'm not so worried about the fridge ratting me out. Cars on the other hand have lots of potential. Every traffic light could have a red light camera if it's the car watching and reporting.

jorvi 5y ago

In The Netherlands we had this problem with vehicle plate scanners. At first, they were strictly for vehicle tax purposes. Then later it came out they could be used by our three (well, four) letter agency in extraordinary circumstances. Then the police could request access in extreme cases, then less extreme, and now the ‘requesting access’ is nothing more than an automated process that is logged. Build it and they will come.

ryantgtg 5y ago
Sounds like you’re describing an external device monitoring vehicle actions. The person you’re replying to is describing the vehicle monitoring and reporting its own actions. In my opinion, people have proven themselves too irresponsible in cars (in a way that results in them regularly killing other people), and while I dislike surveillance, I am for the monitoring/reporting measures that are in some European countries.
- parineum 5y ago
  He's describing an already existing slippery slope to warn against the slippery slope of putting surveillance in the cars themselves.
- monkeybutton 5y ago
  Right. Like Apple's on-device scanning and reporting, cars could scan and report bad behaviours. Toyotas already can detect when a driver is drowsy based on their driving and prompts them to take a break. How hard would it be to make it call police when the driving is severely impaired?
- haswell 5y ago
  Driving is a privilege. Historically, the solution to irresponsible driving is to revoke that privilege. Why should law abiding drivers be subjected to surveillance caused by the irresponsible crowd? Why is removing one’s driving privileges not enough? Proactive monitoring/reporting is the stuff of slippery slopes and Minority Report is the direction we’re going at this point…
  - notriddle 5y ago
    If you want to treat driving as a privilege, then the city needs to be built with non-driving citizens in mind.
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    It’s because revoking privileges is not an effective means of getting these drivers off the road. It’s not a magic force field that prevents people from sitting behind the wheel. All you’re doing is taking a slip of paper away from people who have already demonstrated themselves to not only be irresponsible but also indifferent toward the law. In fact, revoking driving privileges can be counter productive because it takes away their ability to be insured while driving.