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Exactly. It's selection bias, ruthlessly exploited by people who have their own agenda and therefore an interest in focusing attention on the worst excesses of

Exactly. It's selection bias, ruthlessly exploited by people who have their own agenda and therefore an interest in focusing attention on the worst excesses of those who resist (continued) imposition of that agenda. What might that agenda be? Here's a hint. A certain "shadow docket" decision by the US Supreme Court has been in the news a bit lately. As it turns out, all five of the concurring justices are Catholic, and under pressure (e.g. threats of being denied communion) to decide as they did. That pressure should have been grounds for recusal, but of course none of the five had the decency to do that. Where's the "mercy and grace" in that law? What "woke" group is doing that much harm to that many people's lives?

busymom0 5y ago
Selection bias? My province in Ontario literally changed the curriculum for mathematics claiming mathematics is subjective and colonial and all other woke nonsense. You mean to tell me I am not seeing what I am really seeing?
- notacoward 5y ago
  Thank you for providing an example of the selective presentation (exploiting selection bias) I was talking about. Here's the official version of the current Ontario curriculum guidelines, for anyone to read. https://www.dcp.edu.gov.on.ca/en/curriculum/secondary-mathematics/courses/mth1w/course-intro https://www.dcp.edu.gov.on.ca/en/curriculum/secondary-mathem... There's a bunch of stuff about how the teaching of mathematics has been used to normalize racism and marginalization etc., but that's not the same as mathematics itself being subjective or colonial. (Personally I think even the stuff about teaching is kind of garbage because it's vague and non-actionable, but that's a different discussion.) A cherry-picked, exaggerated description like that is exactly the kind of selective presentation I was talking about. You have received a distorted view, and are now passing that on to others.
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  - busymom0 5y ago
    Here's the archive of that page you linked which I was talking about: https://archive.is/E3DoZ https://archive.is/E3DoZ It states: > An equitable mathematics curriculum recognizes that mathematics can be subjective. Mathematics is often positioned as an objective and pure discipline. However, the content and the context in which it is taught, the mathematicians who are celebrated, and the importance that is placed upon mathematics by society are subjective. Mathematics has been used to normalize racism and marginalization of non-Eurocentric mathematical knowledges, and a decolonial, anti-racist approach to mathematics education makes visible its historical roots and social constructions. The Ontario Grade 9 mathematics curriculum emphasizes the need to recognize and challenge systems of power and privilege, both inside and outside the classroom, in order to eliminate systemic barriers and to serve students belonging to groups that have been historically disadvantaged and underserved in mathematics education. After I along with a bunch of others emailed them, they got rid of it. However no one was fired for writing such nonsense, nor did we figure out how such nonsense got through the top officials in the government. Here's the news on them removing it: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ford-defends-removing-language-on-racism-from-math-curriculum-introduction-1.5509219 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ford-defends-removing-language-on... > A cherry-picked, exaggerated description like that is exactly the kind of selective presentation I was talking about. You have received a distorted view, and are now passing that on to others. Before accusing someone of that, please research the topic.
    - notacoward 5y ago
      "However, the content and the context in which it is taught" I don't know how you interpret that as anything but a commentary on the teaching of mathematics. The excerpt supports my point, not yours. Maybe Ontario should look into their curriculum for reading as well as for mathematics. > please research the topic Stop projecting. I posted a link to the original source material before you did, and I interpreted it as a sane person would rather than how the Canadian equivalent of Fox News told people to. That's more diligence than you have shown.
      - busymom0 5y ago
        You first accused me of lying about Ontario's "subjective mathematics" announcement. So I showed you how that's exactly what they had: > An equitable mathematics curriculum recognizes that mathematics can be subjective. Mathematics is often positioned as an objective and pure discipline. thus refuting your "misinformation" claim. Claiming I am making false accusations while I am literally citing the archive page and the governor's response of why they removed the "subjective" nonsense is plain mental gymnastics. Why don't you simply agree that I was correct since even Doug Ford admits the nonsense was there in the curriculum? Yet you continue to play partisan politics and then bring up Fox News out of nowhere? I neither follow Fox News, nor do I follow any Canadian equivalent. I don't follow any corporate media. Please don't bother replying as you seem more interested in ad hominem attacks.

busymom0 5y ago

Selection bias? My province in Ontario literally changed the curriculum for mathematics claiming mathematics is subjective and colonial and all other woke nonsense. You mean to tell me I am not seeing what I am really seeing?

notacoward 5y ago
Thank you for providing an example of the selective presentation (exploiting selection bias) I was talking about. Here's the official version of the current Ontario curriculum guidelines, for anyone to read. https://www.dcp.edu.gov.on.ca/en/curriculum/secondary-mathematics/courses/mth1w/course-intro https://www.dcp.edu.gov.on.ca/en/curriculum/secondary-mathem... There's a bunch of stuff about how the teaching of mathematics has been used to normalize racism and marginalization etc., but that's not the same as mathematics itself being subjective or colonial. (Personally I think even the stuff about teaching is kind of garbage because it's vague and non-actionable, but that's a different discussion.) A cherry-picked, exaggerated description like that is exactly the kind of selective presentation I was talking about. You have received a distorted view, and are now passing that on to others.
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- busymom0 5y ago
  Here's the archive of that page you linked which I was talking about: https://archive.is/E3DoZ https://archive.is/E3DoZ It states: > An equitable mathematics curriculum recognizes that mathematics can be subjective. Mathematics is often positioned as an objective and pure discipline. However, the content and the context in which it is taught, the mathematicians who are celebrated, and the importance that is placed upon mathematics by society are subjective. Mathematics has been used to normalize racism and marginalization of non-Eurocentric mathematical knowledges, and a decolonial, anti-racist approach to mathematics education makes visible its historical roots and social constructions. The Ontario Grade 9 mathematics curriculum emphasizes the need to recognize and challenge systems of power and privilege, both inside and outside the classroom, in order to eliminate systemic barriers and to serve students belonging to groups that have been historically disadvantaged and underserved in mathematics education. After I along with a bunch of others emailed them, they got rid of it. However no one was fired for writing such nonsense, nor did we figure out how such nonsense got through the top officials in the government. Here's the news on them removing it: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ford-defends-removing-language-on-racism-from-math-curriculum-introduction-1.5509219 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ford-defends-removing-language-on... > A cherry-picked, exaggerated description like that is exactly the kind of selective presentation I was talking about. You have received a distorted view, and are now passing that on to others. Before accusing someone of that, please research the topic.
  - notacoward 5y ago
    "However, the content and the context in which it is taught" I don't know how you interpret that as anything but a commentary on the teaching of mathematics. The excerpt supports my point, not yours. Maybe Ontario should look into their curriculum for reading as well as for mathematics. > please research the topic Stop projecting. I posted a link to the original source material before you did, and I interpreted it as a sane person would rather than how the Canadian equivalent of Fox News told people to. That's more diligence than you have shown.
    - busymom0 5y ago
      You first accused me of lying about Ontario's "subjective mathematics" announcement. So I showed you how that's exactly what they had: > An equitable mathematics curriculum recognizes that mathematics can be subjective. Mathematics is often positioned as an objective and pure discipline. thus refuting your "misinformation" claim. Claiming I am making false accusations while I am literally citing the archive page and the governor's response of why they removed the "subjective" nonsense is plain mental gymnastics. Why don't you simply agree that I was correct since even Doug Ford admits the nonsense was there in the curriculum? Yet you continue to play partisan politics and then bring up Fox News out of nowhere? I neither follow Fox News, nor do I follow any Canadian equivalent. I don't follow any corporate media. Please don't bother replying as you seem more interested in ad hominem attacks.