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I would agree with that. You only slip and evade so many punches before you strike back. Many of these things took a lot of effort. Examples were suffrage in Sw

by yawaworht1978 5y ago

I would agree with that. You only slip and evade so many punches before you strike back. Many of these things took a lot of effort. Examples were suffrage in Switzerland, only approved in 1971(by male voters). Sounds crazy, the UK suffragettes got their way between WW1 and WW2, it's pretty shameful that Some anti homosexuality laws have been passed after that. The same conservative outlets who point fingers at the Talibans for killing homosexuals have been on the anti gay train when it was convenient. The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. We have a system that cannot accommodate all views and opinions, but if we gonna call it democracy, at least the minorities should not be discriminated on. But yeah, a bullies freedom of speech and someone with green hair crossing paths will cause some potential friction. If not right there on the spot, people will vent online. Case in point, there's this guy Nick Szabo , intelligent person, but damn his Twitter feed and contributions make you wonder if he dresses up as a klansman in the nights.

ptr2voidStar 5y ago
> The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. Would that happen to be the same Dutch that were heavily involved in the slave trade (about the same time you mention)?
- yawaworht1978 5y ago
  Yes I agree, odd interpretation, might be even perverse to a degree, as it only applied to maritime law and was probably abused to engage in slave trade, they could always claim they never killed a slave. The statement is potentially nice, though.
klipt 5y ago
Switzerland still has conscription for men only, so it's arguably still a sexist society (against men). What's interesting is that men's suffrage was often justified by conscription: that people shouldn't be sent to fight wars they didn't have a say in. But then women got suffrage without having to be conscripted on the basis of equality, while only men still got conscripted. Not a great deal for men!

ptr2voidStar 5y ago

> The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. Would that happen to be the same Dutch that were heavily involved in the slave trade (about the same time you mention)?

yawaworht1978 5y ago
Yes I agree, odd interpretation, might be even perverse to a degree, as it only applied to maritime law and was probably abused to engage in slave trade, they could always claim they never killed a slave. The statement is potentially nice, though.

klipt 5y ago

Switzerland still has conscription for men only, so it's arguably still a sexist society (against men). What's interesting is that men's suffrage was often justified by conscription: that people shouldn't be sent to fight wars they didn't have a say in. But then women got suffrage without having to be conscripted on the basis of equality, while only men still got conscripted. Not a great deal for men!