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What would you suggest that wasn’t tried before? Conversations, education, peaceful protests, etc. None worked as well as this. If someone is punching you in t

What would you suggest that wasn’t tried before? Conversations, education, peaceful protests, etc. None worked as well as this. If someone is punching you in the face every single day, and nothing you try that’s non violent works, but suddenly you get results when you push back, wouldn’t you employ that method? Sure, it hurts the person punching you, but they were punching you.

yawaworht1978 5y ago
I would agree with that. You only slip and evade so many punches before you strike back. Many of these things took a lot of effort. Examples were suffrage in Switzerland, only approved in 1971(by male voters). Sounds crazy, the UK suffragettes got their way between WW1 and WW2, it's pretty shameful that Some anti homosexuality laws have been passed after that. The same conservative outlets who point fingers at the Talibans for killing homosexuals have been on the anti gay train when it was convenient. The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. We have a system that cannot accommodate all views and opinions, but if we gonna call it democracy, at least the minorities should not be discriminated on. But yeah, a bullies freedom of speech and someone with green hair crossing paths will cause some potential friction. If not right there on the spot, people will vent online. Case in point, there's this guy Nick Szabo , intelligent person, but damn his Twitter feed and contributions make you wonder if he dresses up as a klansman in the nights.
- ptr2voidStar 5y ago
  > The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. Would that happen to be the same Dutch that were heavily involved in the slave trade (about the same time you mention)?
  - yawaworht1978 5y ago
    Yes I agree, odd interpretation, might be even perverse to a degree, as it only applied to maritime law and was probably abused to engage in slave trade, they could always claim they never killed a slave. The statement is potentially nice, though.
- klipt 5y ago
  Switzerland still has conscription for men only, so it's arguably still a sexist society (against men). What's interesting is that men's suffrage was often justified by conscription: that people shouldn't be sent to fight wars they didn't have a say in. But then women got suffrage without having to be conscripted on the basis of equality, while only men still got conscripted. Not a great deal for men!
FiberBundle 5y ago
Well a good first step would be to accept that societal changes take time to develop. We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights. Asian immigrants, which were severely discriminated against in the past, have achieved tremendous upward mobility in our society. There are many other areas in which our society has progressed. All of this progress has occurred without any of the radical discrimatory tactics that are used today.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  > We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights. And suffragettes put bombs in mailboxes and threw their bodies under horses. 2nd wave feminists were far more "anti-man" than modern feminists (there aren't too many political lesbians nowadays). The "peaceful protest" that people recall so fondly rarely was so peaceful but is instead used as a cudgel to resist all change today by claiming that activists aren't "doing it right".
  - FiberBundle 5y ago
    > And suffragettes put bombs in mailboxes and threw their bodies under horses And you think that had a positive effect on women's suffrage? > 2nd wave feminists were far more "anti-man" than modern feminists Well so what? Was suppressing men an actual tactic that contributed to progress?
    - UncleMeat 5y ago
      The bombs in the mailboxes? Absolutely.
      - refurb 5y ago
        Violence rarely works politically unless you’re talking about revolution.
        UncleMeat 5y ago
luckylion 5y ago
Ivy league kids from rich families are getting "punched in the face every single day"? What timeline is that?

yawaworht1978 5y ago

I would agree with that. You only slip and evade so many punches before you strike back. Many of these things took a lot of effort. Examples were suffrage in Switzerland, only approved in 1971(by male voters). Sounds crazy, the UK suffragettes got their way between WW1 and WW2, it's pretty shameful that Some anti homosexuality laws have been passed after that. The same conservative outlets who point fingers at the Talibans for killing homosexuals have been on the anti gay train when it was convenient. The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. We have a system that cannot accommodate all views and opinions, but if we gonna call it democracy, at least the minorities should not be discriminated on. But yeah, a bullies freedom of speech and someone with green hair crossing paths will cause some potential friction. If not right there on the spot, people will vent online. Case in point, there's this guy Nick Szabo , intelligent person, but damn his Twitter feed and contributions make you wonder if he dresses up as a klansman in the nights.

ptr2voidStar 5y ago
> The Dutch simplified the most useful rule in the 17th century: "live and let live", it was codified into (maritime) law. Would that happen to be the same Dutch that were heavily involved in the slave trade (about the same time you mention)?
- yawaworht1978 5y ago
  Yes I agree, odd interpretation, might be even perverse to a degree, as it only applied to maritime law and was probably abused to engage in slave trade, they could always claim they never killed a slave. The statement is potentially nice, though.
klipt 5y ago
Switzerland still has conscription for men only, so it's arguably still a sexist society (against men). What's interesting is that men's suffrage was often justified by conscription: that people shouldn't be sent to fight wars they didn't have a say in. But then women got suffrage without having to be conscripted on the basis of equality, while only men still got conscripted. Not a great deal for men!

FiberBundle 5y ago

Well a good first step would be to accept that societal changes take time to develop. We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights. Asian immigrants, which were severely discriminated against in the past, have achieved tremendous upward mobility in our society. There are many other areas in which our society has progressed. All of this progress has occurred without any of the radical discrimatory tactics that are used today.

UncleMeat 5y ago
> We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights. And suffragettes put bombs in mailboxes and threw their bodies under horses. 2nd wave feminists were far more "anti-man" than modern feminists (there aren't too many political lesbians nowadays). The "peaceful protest" that people recall so fondly rarely was so peaceful but is instead used as a cudgel to resist all change today by claiming that activists aren't "doing it right".
- FiberBundle 5y ago
  > And suffragettes put bombs in mailboxes and threw their bodies under horses And you think that had a positive effect on women's suffrage? > 2nd wave feminists were far more "anti-man" than modern feminists Well so what? Was suppressing men an actual tactic that contributed to progress?
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    The bombs in the mailboxes? Absolutely.
    - refurb 5y ago
      Violence rarely works politically unless you’re talking about revolution.
      - UncleMeat 5y ago

luckylion 5y ago

Ivy league kids from rich families are getting "punched in the face every single day"? What timeline is that?