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> Apple has abandoned its once-famous commitment to security and privacy. The cat's out of the bag now that this has never been more than a marketing gimmick.

> Apple has abandoned its once-famous commitment to security and privacy. The cat's out of the bag now that this has never been more than a marketing gimmick. You can rely on Apple to protect your data from their competition, but other than that they'll be at least as happy to implement dystopian surveillance nightmares as the next megacorp. This time they even won the prize for the worst idea ever.

askafriend 5y ago
Which cloud provider can you store your images on that does CSAM compliance in a more privacy friendly way? None. All the main ones scan your entire library of content you upload. Apple’s solution is the most privacy conscious by far.
- coolspot 5y ago
  Mega.io does CSAM compliance in a more privacy-friendly way: they scan their cloud day and night, but it is end-to-end encrypted, so the scan always returns exactly 0 results.
  - askafriend 5y ago
    Mega absolutely complies with law enforcement and does issue takedown requests. It’s all built into their policies. https://mega.io/takedown https://mega.io/takedown
    - coolspot 5y ago
      Takedown != content scanning
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  And why is this normal? Why can't they offer zero knowledge cloud storage? Encrypt before upload and decrypt after download. The less they know about the data, the less liable they are for anything. Data is and should be a massive liability for companies. They should aim to know as little as possible.
  - askafriend 5y ago
    That’s changing the conversation isn’t it? The reality is cloud providers have been doing this for over a decade. This is the norm for better or worse. Apple just now implemented this in the most privacy conscious way possible and it seems like they’re taking the brunt of the PR damage. If anything this tells me Apple are trying to do the right thing whereas the other companies didn’t even bother trying. That’s why it’s confusing when people are swearing off Apple and switching to . . . Google? Samsung?

askafriend 5y ago

Which cloud provider can you store your images on that does CSAM compliance in a more privacy friendly way? None. All the main ones scan your entire library of content you upload. Apple’s solution is the most privacy conscious by far.

coolspot 5y ago
Mega.io does CSAM compliance in a more privacy-friendly way: they scan their cloud day and night, but it is end-to-end encrypted, so the scan always returns exactly 0 results.
- askafriend 5y ago
  Mega absolutely complies with law enforcement and does issue takedown requests. It’s all built into their policies. https://mega.io/takedown https://mega.io/takedown
  - coolspot 5y ago
    Takedown != content scanning
matheusmoreira 5y ago
And why is this normal? Why can't they offer zero knowledge cloud storage? Encrypt before upload and decrypt after download. The less they know about the data, the less liable they are for anything. Data is and should be a massive liability for companies. They should aim to know as little as possible.
- askafriend 5y ago
  That’s changing the conversation isn’t it? The reality is cloud providers have been doing this for over a decade. This is the norm for better or worse. Apple just now implemented this in the most privacy conscious way possible and it seems like they’re taking the brunt of the PR damage. If anything this tells me Apple are trying to do the right thing whereas the other companies didn’t even bother trying. That’s why it’s confusing when people are swearing off Apple and switching to . . . Google? Samsung?