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'mostly white, educated, left-leaning Americans' is not the same as 'most white, educated, left-leaning Americans'

AussieWog93 5y ago
While you are semantically correct, you're ignoring the actual phenomenon that is being discussed. Whether or not a literal majority of white, middle-class, left-leaning Americans believe in Critical Race Theory or The Patriarchy is irrelevant. 20 years ago it was only discussed in Academia, whereas now these theories hold a significant influence over many peoples' political, business and social lives.
- itronitron 5y ago
  While I agree that it's no longer confined to Liberal Arts departments, I don't agree that it has influence on many people's lives (although that depends on how we define 'many'.) Wokeness is generally treated as a joke among virtually every American whose employment is not dependent on 'public opinion', SNL's Levi's Woke Jeans skit is a classic take on that. I don't know whether politicians are catering to over the top wokeness in order to be all-inclusive for votes, or if they believe (because they let someone else do their homework) that the majority of their constituency demands it.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    >Wokeness is generally treated as a joke among virtually every American whose employment is not dependent on 'public opinion' I'm not American (in case the username didn't give that away!), but I have definitely seen "woke" culture infiltrate into people's lives, especially in the corporate context. A couple of incidents people I know personally have experienced include a guy being fired after a dumb sexist joke made at height of #metoo (to be fair, he was socially retarded in general) and another guy whose joke email was forcibly retracted by HR for using Christian Imagery in an "Easter Celebration" message (this guy was not socially retarded; school captain in fact). Compare and contrast to the blue collar guys I know who openly make racist/homophobic jokes to just about everyone. Point is, maybe amongst the people you know, in the city that you live, "wokeness" is treated as a joke. But in corporate culture in Melbourne (Australian equivalent of Portland, OR), it's this looming, oppressive spectre.
ZephyrBlu 5y ago
If it's not a majority it's a very loud minority.

While you are semantically correct, you're ignoring the actual phenomenon that is being discussed. Whether or not a literal majority of white, middle-class, left-leaning Americans believe in Critical Race Theory or The Patriarchy is irrelevant. 20 years ago it was only discussed in Academia, whereas now these theories hold a significant influence over many peoples' political, business and social lives.

itronitron 5y ago
While I agree that it's no longer confined to Liberal Arts departments, I don't agree that it has influence on many people's lives (although that depends on how we define 'many'.) Wokeness is generally treated as a joke among virtually every American whose employment is not dependent on 'public opinion', SNL's Levi's Woke Jeans skit is a classic take on that. I don't know whether politicians are catering to over the top wokeness in order to be all-inclusive for votes, or if they believe (because they let someone else do their homework) that the majority of their constituency demands it.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  >Wokeness is generally treated as a joke among virtually every American whose employment is not dependent on 'public opinion' I'm not American (in case the username didn't give that away!), but I have definitely seen "woke" culture infiltrate into people's lives, especially in the corporate context. A couple of incidents people I know personally have experienced include a guy being fired after a dumb sexist joke made at height of #metoo (to be fair, he was socially retarded in general) and another guy whose joke email was forcibly retracted by HR for using Christian Imagery in an "Easter Celebration" message (this guy was not socially retarded; school captain in fact). Compare and contrast to the blue collar guys I know who openly make racist/homophobic jokes to just about everyone. Point is, maybe amongst the people you know, in the city that you live, "wokeness" is treated as a joke. But in corporate culture in Melbourne (Australian equivalent of Portland, OR), it's this looming, oppressive spectre.

ZephyrBlu 5y ago

If it's not a majority it's a very loud minority.