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> This is actually completely false. Young people are at less risk. Healthy young people are hospitalized and die of Covid just at a much lower rate. Not only t

by vimy 5y ago

> This is actually completely false. Young people are at less risk. Healthy young people are hospitalized and die of Covid just at a much lower rate. Not only that but they can spread it to older people that are at higher risk. The risk is slightly higher than the flu so virtually non-existent. -> https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1433575276009512961 https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1433575276009512961 And we have a treatment now to help those older people. > Nope. Whether naturally infected or not, vaccinated makes you less likely to get Covid. The Israel study tells us otherwise. > It's not a cure, monoclonal antibodies are a great treatment that is not ignored, but it's better not to get sick in the first place! It is ignored by the press and politicians. They keep telling us the only way out is vaccines. Which is wrong.

bryan0 5y ago
> The Israel study tells us otherwise. you should re-read it. >The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... > The risk is slightly higher than the flu so virtually non-existent. Flu kills hundreds of children a year. Tell one of their parents that the risk is "non-existent". That's why flu vaccine is recommended for most. > CDC recommends everyone 6 months and older get an annual flu vaccine, especially children who are younger than 5 years of age or children of any age who have a high risk medical condition, because they are more likely to develop serious flu complications that can lead to hospitalization and death. Getting vaccinated has been shown to reduce flu illnesses, doctor’s visits, missed school days, and reduce the risk of flu-related hospitalization and death in children. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatric-flu-deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...
josephcsible 5y ago
> The risk is slightly higher than the flu so virtually non-existent. -> https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1433575276009512961 https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1433575276009512961 That sounds to me like the risk in young people is lower than the flu. The CDC also said the same: https://web.archive.org/web/20210820184423/https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210820184423/https://www.cdc.g... > For young children, especially children younger than 5 years old, the risk of serious complications is higher for flu compared with COVID-19.
- bryan0 5y ago
  Covid was considered lower risk than flu for kids until delta. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/delta-variant-more-dangerous-children-growing-number-kids-are-very-n1276035 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/delta-variant-mor...
  - bhickey 5y ago
    The data has never supported that covid is less dangerous than flu in kids. In the first year about 300 children in the US died from covid. Social distancing collapsed flu cases nationwide. There was a single childhood flu death last season.
    - bryan0 5y ago
      This is not accurate. Covid IFR for children < 12 was near 0 in 2020 which is far less risky than flu for that group. https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid > Our analysis finds a exponential relationship between age and IFR for COVID-19. The estimated age-specific IFR is very low for children and younger adults (e.g., 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at age 25) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289900/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289900/
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Are you arguing that COVID is more deadly in young people than the flu because its absolute number of deaths in young people was higher last year, without taking into account that the number of infections was higher too?
      - manwe150 5y ago
        He is arguing about the total fatality rate, rather than the IFR. It is feasible for those to go in different relative directions with a more infectious but less deadly disease.
        5y ago

by vimy 5y ago

bryan0 5y ago

> The Israel study tells us otherwise. you should re-read it. >The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... > The risk is slightly higher than the flu so virtually non-existent. Flu kills hundreds of children a year. Tell one of their parents that the risk is "non-existent". That's why flu vaccine is recommended for most. > CDC recommends everyone 6 months and older get an annual flu vaccine, especially children who are younger than 5 years of age or children of any age who have a high risk medical condition, because they are more likely to develop serious flu complications that can lead to hospitalization and death. Getting vaccinated has been shown to reduce flu illnesses, doctor’s visits, missed school days, and reduce the risk of flu-related hospitalization and death in children. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatric-flu-deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatr...

josephcsible 5y ago

> The risk is slightly higher than the flu so virtually non-existent. -> https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1433575276009512961 https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1433575276009512961 That sounds to me like the risk in young people is lower than the flu. The CDC also said the same: https://web.archive.org/web/20210820184423/https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210820184423/https://www.cdc.g... > For young children, especially children younger than 5 years old, the risk of serious complications is higher for flu compared with COVID-19.

bryan0 5y ago
Covid was considered lower risk than flu for kids until delta. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/delta-variant-more-dangerous-children-growing-number-kids-are-very-n1276035 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/delta-variant-mor...
- bhickey 5y ago
  The data has never supported that covid is less dangerous than flu in kids. In the first year about 300 children in the US died from covid. Social distancing collapsed flu cases nationwide. There was a single childhood flu death last season.
  - bryan0 5y ago
    This is not accurate. Covid IFR for children < 12 was near 0 in 2020 which is far less risky than flu for that group. https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid > Our analysis finds a exponential relationship between age and IFR for COVID-19. The estimated age-specific IFR is very low for children and younger adults (e.g., 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at age 25) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289900/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289900/
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Are you arguing that COVID is more deadly in young people than the flu because its absolute number of deaths in young people was higher last year, without taking into account that the number of infections was higher too?
    - manwe150 5y ago
      He is arguing about the total fatality rate, rather than the IFR. It is feasible for those to go in different relative directions with a more infectious but less deadly disease.
      - 5y ago