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I recommend anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing to take a break for a few months in a country that doesn't indulge it, e.g. Russia
by tazjin 5y ago
I recommend anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing to take a break for a few months in a country that doesn't indulge it, e.g. Russia.
- remontoire 5y agoHow about north korea?
- tazjin 5y agoYou could do that and would probably learn a lot, but I suspect safety and availability of visas might be a concern.
- optimiz3 5y agoA serious study of North Korea will illuminate how trite many issues are relative to the basic freedoms and services we take for granted.
- EvilEy3 5y agoTalk about kneejerk reaction. Or you think country not tolerant to gays is the same as actual living gulag?
- the_only_law 5y agoThis probably isn’t the argument you think it is. Many reactionaries seem have a romanticized view of Russian culture and probably would be fine there.
- unity1001 5y agoNo, actually they have no idea how Eastern European cultures are, less Russia. They would stick out like a sore thumb, they would be shunned, treated with distance for being foreigners. Being 'christian' wouldnt do literally sh*t. The only places where they would be getting treated normally would be ironically places with more woke Russians - ie Russian liberals, educated, woke people. Who would not shun others for being foreigners and who would not exhibit automatic/traditional Russian behaviors of suspecting/shunning strangers and being closed to them.
- rnd0 5y ago> They would stick out like a sore thumb, they would be shunned, treated with distance for being foreigners. Being 'christian' wouldnt do literally sh*t. I agree. In fact I think that their religion would only serve to exacerbate things since (unless I'm very wrong) Russians are largely Orthodox Catholics and these people are largely protestant and evangelical
- unity1001 5y agoYep. They have no idea how great the divide in between Orthodox and other branches of Christianity is. Even muslims are more normalized in Orthodox regions since they have been living side by side for ~1000 years. And Protestanism, Evangelicals etc? They are much more 'further out' than these right wingers realize.
- Tade0 5y agoAs an Eastern European I have friends and coworkers who are educated(PhDs even), but at the same time highly conservative, xenophobic and against wokeness in general. Some of them even lived and worked abroad, but of course learned nothing from that experience. Conservative foreigners would feel right at home with this crowd, but they might be surprised how liberal they are comparing to the locals.
- unity1001 5y agoYes, i know that conservatism runs pretty deep in Eastern European culture, and its a behavior model more than a creed or ideology. The American conservatives would feel 'at home' with such people as you described, however such people would not be accepting them how they seem to think they would.
- biswaroop 5y agoInteresting you mention Russia. The leadership of Russia spends a lot of time thinking about how to denigrate LGBTQ+ folks. Racism is alive and thriving in Russia. They even recently went through the trouble of decriminalizing first time domestic violence. Could you elaborate on why you think a trip to Russia would be useful to [eta:American] progressives?
- Epa095 5y agoHe did not say progressives, he said " anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing", which I interpreted as the conservatives which can't stop talking about this.
- tazjin 5y agoIn case it helps with interpreting my comment, I live in Moscow.
- foxpurple 5y agoWant it even worse than just first time? I seem to remember that Russia now allows one incident of serious domestic violence per year.
- tazjin 5y agoFake news, you're probably thinking about the law regulating punishment for first time offences not involving serious violence.
- MrScruff 5y agoIndeed, there are only two positions available on any given issue and we are all compelled to pick one.
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- goatlover 5y agoThe George W Bush approach to issues.
- UK-Al05 5y agoIt's either intersectionality or Russia? What about old liberal ideals?
- antod 5y agoAre you advocating a holiday in cambodia?