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> Yes, you are wrong. I came with facts and an actual real-world example. Not sure where you sensed anger or why an internet comment hits you so personally. I t

> Yes, you are wrong. I came with facts and an actual real-world example. Not sure where you sensed anger or why an internet comment hits you so personally. I think it's important to focus on the actual topic I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around. You say you came with facts in the real world example but I guess I saw anger in how you needed to (and continue to seem to need to) frame what i said as, "out of thin air", not "taking a step back", and ”only view the issue from the “point of view” you created from thin air," and not having "removed underlying assumptions," nor "learned how things are playing out in the real world.” That's a framing which is like very dismissive and not respectful of the position or perspective I bring. so it seems likely that you're not going to listen to what I'm going to say because you think it is stupid, has no basis in reality and not well thought through. So I guess I saw yer anger there because why would you need to so disrespectfully dismiss someone else's position unless you are afraid of it or angry at them for having raised it. but there's plenty of generous ways you could find value in the perspective that I brought. But instead of acknowledging the value that was there you thought you needed to start your argument by looking down on it. Thereby trying to frame yourself as someone with an authoritative knowledge and perspective about this compared to as you framed what I was bringing, as lacking on this qualities that you can bring. I think when someone displays that kind of extreme one-sided bias it's often driven by anger and fear. And it doesn't have anything to do with the reality but rather is a reflection of their own reaction. So hopefully that clears things up, there. That's good I didn't know that these prices were arranged beforehand. But I could have assumed that were the case without Really changing what I said. Because I'm pretty sure that these prices were agreed to or part of a contracted also included provisions that the prices could change to some extent it could be revised I'll put the full stop so I'm thinking that excellent is not in breach of contract here they're just doing what was as you say actually in the contract but it seems like you're the one who's probably pretending that excellent hasn't been living up to the contract but in fact it seems more like the narrative comes from the state, and maybe the state is saying this to cover how it's now bucking its obligations under that contract to meet the revised prices. And instead of copying to that it's creating a politicized issue out of it and arousing up some public anger and perhaps you've been included in this political delusion. No I don't know I'm not saying that's for sure but can you really say that's unequivocally false? There's no possibility of that? Exelon is 100% in breach of the contractual obligations? so that was your bottom line. We've just redefined how that actually works. Now there's questions hanging over your bottom line assumption that Exelon is wrong and I wonder how you were going to resolve those. you going to say that it's an insult to suggest that the political narrative about this maybe somehow deceptive and that you may have believed that. But that you want to just end yourself from this truth of politics my framing it as an insult suggest that you will not be able to accept some of the realities of the situation if you choose to view them as insults. Because you'll see them only a statements designed to insult rather than statements of fact are you really defending the notion that a politician would never ever even dream of creating a fake narrative that incorrectly mislaid responsibility away from themselves in order to cover their own asses and encourage the population to believe that fake narrative? > To recap, you cannot explain why a large nuclear expansion in the US would work out differently than in Illinois. That was the simple question. I read 500+ words and still can't find the answer. hold on will you ever ask me to explain that? That was never what we were talking about, was it? seems like you're moving the goal posts. But anyway it's irrelevant related point just you hadn't specifically asked me to explain that but from the way you reacted to a discussion so far it seems like you're not really open to hearing me explain about anything. So not that I'm really interested in the answer because it's not about me but I wonder why that is. And in any case that makes it seem less likely it's not that iconic explain so you cannot hear. Because I guess for you the conclusion is already forgone. basically I feel sorry for you here at this point because it seems to me the following situation will unfold. as you led with this arrogant misframing of your position as being right and my position being without value and "wrong". It says that that's where you're invested that's what you need to believe and when someone needs to believe that it's very unlikely for them to be able to hear let alone admit that the way that they're thinking about this was somehow incorrect or could somehow be improved. So I think it's very unlikely that you're going to concede any ground or any points here and I think it's very unlikely that you're going to admit that the main arguments that I make that contradict your positions are right or have merit. So I wonder what is your desire to participate in what for you is just simply one-sided discussion if it is not simply to play out this theatricality of your own rightness that you need to believe? in short you're trying to prove your point and not learn something and I feel sad for you about that because it seems you got stuck there and what if your point is wrong--you're just going to persist in believing that delusion because you need to feel right? Well I feel sad for you about that because you won't see this whole picture and you'll stay stuck there. But look if you're asking about how the situation for nuclear could play out in a successful way in any scenario nationally or in a state level and I think it all depends on how it is set up. The interaction between all the players the utility companies the politicians the state and the population and how they think about it. so all of the stakeholders have a responsibility to create a situation that works and I definitely believe it's possible to do that I don't believe there's any structural obstacles to creating working nuclear power utility that's cost-effective if people have the will to do that. And so far everything you've said that you see is either the company's fault or unsolvable I see as having a different bearing of responsibility for the cause but also very much solvable. so I guess the question is how do you convince someone with a defeatist attitude that change can actually happen? well I am guess and I'm pretty sure that words aren't going to do it. So you have to show them the change. so I suppose you're going to have to wait until you see that nuclear utilities are working in Chicago to believe that it's going to be possible. So I guess you going to have to wait until then to be able to have a proper and balanced discussion about it. Y For you. It's kind of sad, but Oh well. I get where you're coming from. It hasn't succeeded, as you see it, so why should you think it should? Anyway... Hope you have a good one

long_time_gone 5y ago
But I did ask. Here is the quote: ==I am simply asking for an explanation of why that wouldn't happen on a larger level if we invest more heavily in nuclear as a country.== In response, I got lots of insults (anger, one-sidedness, dismissive, not respectful, defeatist attitude, arrogant, etc.), but nothing approaching an answer. You haven’t presented a single article or study or source that defends anything you’ve claimed. Maybe next time you could give people who you “feel sorry for” the same grace you expect them to show you? ==I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around.== A bold comment from the person posting a 1,300 word rebuttal on Friday night.
- graderjs 5y ago
  In response, I got lots of insults (anger, one-sidedness, dismissive, not respectful, defeatist attitude, arrogant, etc.), but nothing approaching an answer. People always say this, that they did nothing wrong, and then they got insulted, but they don't cop to their responsibility. When what actually happened was you led with this framing I've described and which you don't acknowledge, and pretend you were innocent of any wrong doing in that...and play the fake victim card saying you've been insulted when really it's your bad behavior being pointed out. It's hilarious how often this is the passive-aggressive tactic of people wanting to be abusive online. Like they think they can find a reasonable outlet for their abuse, by not saying anything too direct, but just using framing. Then when they find someone who pushes back against that--they fold and play the fake victim card. But I can totally see through that, and I pointed it out. And then, predictably...you play the fake victim card. Always the wannabe try-hard bullies do like this. And they always use the discussion about how they've been wronged to distract from how there actually is an answer and discussion in there that they simply want to refuse to look at. Because they're not interested, really, in that. They're interested in using this as a vector to take out their own frustrations on others, the topics are merely a pretext. In short your tactic is, come across as abusive and arrogant to any dissenting position, then ignore any actual dissenting position rather than engaging in it, then play the fake victim by saying you did nothing wrong, and that it's the other person who was wrong for point out the wrong you did. You haven’t presented a single article or study or source that defends anything you’ve claimed. I don't need articles to tell me what to think. I'm talking about possible futures. You don't want to engage with that, but--haha--you need articles? You don't need articles, you need to change your perspective. You've already had the chance to hear different information and you've ignored that. It's confirmation bias...articles and studies will not help you. Stop trying to deflect responsibility for the why of you having this view...it's just on you. It's not up to anyone else to convince you, it's up to you yourself to choose to see. I'm sorry but there's no way you can get around this. Maybe next time you could give people who you “feel sorry for” the same grace you expect them to show you? Oh-hahah-that's rich man. The "grace" I gave you was talking to your arguments and temporarily ignoring your abusiveness, and confirmation bias. But of course, you ignore that generosity. And I didn't expect you to show me anything--I had an open mind. But all that abusive framing, it doesn't mean it's OK. Just because it doesn't hurt me...doesn't mean it's OK, right? Anyway, I temporarily ignored it, but you persisted and I pointed it out, now you cry about it. Maybe next time if you don't like having it pointed out...don't do it then, huh? You really expect people to be silent and compliant, willing little victims, in the face of that bad and abusive behavior? I get if you feel that way and if that's what you want, but you're not gonna get that. Not from me, anyway. So yes, I do feels sorry for you: because you must feel isolated and alone to behave like this...trying to talk about issues only as a pretext for engaging in abuse of others online just to feel anything, some significance from human interaction, to feel you can still have an impact. And yes, I do feel sorry for you, no need for the quotes because true, because you think this is going to get you somewhere, but there will always be people like me who can see through it, and who will call you out about it. Much to your seeming displeasure. And I feel sorry for you because you just seem stuck there, in this sad moment, doing this stuff. And it's sad. ==I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around.== A bold comment from the person posting a 1,300 word rebuttal on Friday night. Is it? I can multitask. I get a lot done, even on a Friday night. But I don't even think it was Friday night when I replied you. See where in different timezones. Maybe that's hard for you to understand...but I think it's just you don't wanna see it. Just like everything else here you don't wanna see. So you're saying my Friday night was no good, huh? Really? My Friday night was great, thanks. Why you starting with the Friday night talk, tho? Want to pretend to look down on someone else's in your imagination--why?--Must be your Friday night is what you actually look down on. That's sad But more to the point of why I replied. You like to pretend I'm here replying and that means it's about you. All about you. Hmm, I get you wanna see it like that, but that's not how it is. See...for me saying this can be be important to me, without it having to be about you, nor about how you pretend hit me because you didn't. But it seems you want to insist that I'm here because of you, where it's all about you and you insist that you really did hit me, again revealing your bad faith reason to come here. So you derive your sense of significance in this interaction by pretending you are hurting someone else...when all I really see you doing is trying to do that, but failing. Just being abusive and ignoring talking about what you can't admit you failed at, the topic at hand. So you see that even when I push back against you...we still can't get past your, everything-is-about-you attitude. I guess that must be filling a hole. Which means I suppose that the more I reply to you, the more you derive from this. From that point of view, it's not in your best interests that I reply, and encourage this behavior. But like I said, I'm not here for you, I'm here for me. And I believe that if I point this out, if you let yourself see the pattern...you will change it eventually. Sometimes all it takes is someone to have a little bit of pushback, to hear something they haven't heard before. Granted...I admit it's probably deep seated for you. But I still believe that me laying it out clearly like this, is going to have an imprint in your mind. And is going to change your behavior, if you choose to let it. And that helps me feel good...to think that my contribution to how you're doing wrong right now, is gonna help you do right in future. That will mean that other people are saved from your abuse. People unlike me. People who can't stand up for themselves, nor see the patterns clearly. People who would just cop the hurt, when they shouldn't, when it's not theirs. When they don't deserve it. But anyway...that's a bonus. Like I said, I'm not here for you, I'm here for me. I'm just here saying what I choose to say for myself. So you're the guy replying, playing the fake victim card, complaining how your bad-faith tactics and abusiveness are being pointed out...but saying, it didn't hit you? But saying the other guy is bold for saying it didn't hit him? See I think you said that first. I didn't start with needing to pretend I hurt you...you started with that. That was your bag. And I'm just pushing that back on to you, because it doesn't apply to me. But think it reveals, it's another thing that reveals, that it applies to you. Like I said before, I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around. I guess because that's what you need to think here. For me, I didn't think you'd reply this comment...so I didn't check. Because it was clear your argument had nowhere to go compared to what I said. But considering your bad faith abusiveness that seems to have driven your engagement here, rather than topicality...I guess it makes sense you would come back--again I was extending my generosity, my grace, to you by not wanting to see that abusive side of it and just consider you are here for the topic)--because that's what you're here for: to play the fake victim card, try to pretend I'm wrong, and try to pretend you've hurt me. Because that's what motivates you here: trying to hurt other people under the cover of being doing nothing wrong or being the fake victim yourself. Pretty predictable reaction...actually. I guess if you're Friday night was so great why would you come back here on a Saturday morning to whinge about it? Anyway, thank you very much for this. I loved this interaction. It was very valuable to me and thank you for contribution to me here. I really appreciate it. I look forward to seeing what you say next if anything. If not, no worries, it was so good so far!

long_time_gone 5y ago

But I did ask. Here is the quote: ==I am simply asking for an explanation of why that wouldn't happen on a larger level if we invest more heavily in nuclear as a country.== In response, I got lots of insults (anger, one-sidedness, dismissive, not respectful, defeatist attitude, arrogant, etc.), but nothing approaching an answer. You haven’t presented a single article or study or source that defends anything you’ve claimed. Maybe next time you could give people who you “feel sorry for” the same grace you expect them to show you? ==I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around.== A bold comment from the person posting a 1,300 word rebuttal on Friday night.

graderjs 5y ago
In response, I got lots of insults (anger, one-sidedness, dismissive, not respectful, defeatist attitude, arrogant, etc.), but nothing approaching an answer. People always say this, that they did nothing wrong, and then they got insulted, but they don't cop to their responsibility. When what actually happened was you led with this framing I've described and which you don't acknowledge, and pretend you were innocent of any wrong doing in that...and play the fake victim card saying you've been insulted when really it's your bad behavior being pointed out. It's hilarious how often this is the passive-aggressive tactic of people wanting to be abusive online. Like they think they can find a reasonable outlet for their abuse, by not saying anything too direct, but just using framing. Then when they find someone who pushes back against that--they fold and play the fake victim card. But I can totally see through that, and I pointed it out. And then, predictably...you play the fake victim card. Always the wannabe try-hard bullies do like this. And they always use the discussion about how they've been wronged to distract from how there actually is an answer and discussion in there that they simply want to refuse to look at. Because they're not interested, really, in that. They're interested in using this as a vector to take out their own frustrations on others, the topics are merely a pretext. In short your tactic is, come across as abusive and arrogant to any dissenting position, then ignore any actual dissenting position rather than engaging in it, then play the fake victim by saying you did nothing wrong, and that it's the other person who was wrong for point out the wrong you did. You haven’t presented a single article or study or source that defends anything you’ve claimed. I don't need articles to tell me what to think. I'm talking about possible futures. You don't want to engage with that, but--haha--you need articles? You don't need articles, you need to change your perspective. You've already had the chance to hear different information and you've ignored that. It's confirmation bias...articles and studies will not help you. Stop trying to deflect responsibility for the why of you having this view...it's just on you. It's not up to anyone else to convince you, it's up to you yourself to choose to see. I'm sorry but there's no way you can get around this. Maybe next time you could give people who you “feel sorry for” the same grace you expect them to show you? Oh-hahah-that's rich man. The "grace" I gave you was talking to your arguments and temporarily ignoring your abusiveness, and confirmation bias. But of course, you ignore that generosity. And I didn't expect you to show me anything--I had an open mind. But all that abusive framing, it doesn't mean it's OK. Just because it doesn't hurt me...doesn't mean it's OK, right? Anyway, I temporarily ignored it, but you persisted and I pointed it out, now you cry about it. Maybe next time if you don't like having it pointed out...don't do it then, huh? You really expect people to be silent and compliant, willing little victims, in the face of that bad and abusive behavior? I get if you feel that way and if that's what you want, but you're not gonna get that. Not from me, anyway. So yes, I do feels sorry for you: because you must feel isolated and alone to behave like this...trying to talk about issues only as a pretext for engaging in abuse of others online just to feel anything, some significance from human interaction, to feel you can still have an impact. And yes, I do feel sorry for you, no need for the quotes because true, because you think this is going to get you somewhere, but there will always be people like me who can see through it, and who will call you out about it. Much to your seeming displeasure. And I feel sorry for you because you just seem stuck there, in this sad moment, doing this stuff. And it's sad. ==I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around.== A bold comment from the person posting a 1,300 word rebuttal on Friday night. Is it? I can multitask. I get a lot done, even on a Friday night. But I don't even think it was Friday night when I replied you. See where in different timezones. Maybe that's hard for you to understand...but I think it's just you don't wanna see it. Just like everything else here you don't wanna see. So you're saying my Friday night was no good, huh? Really? My Friday night was great, thanks. Why you starting with the Friday night talk, tho? Want to pretend to look down on someone else's in your imagination--why?--Must be your Friday night is what you actually look down on. That's sad But more to the point of why I replied. You like to pretend I'm here replying and that means it's about you. All about you. Hmm, I get you wanna see it like that, but that's not how it is. See...for me saying this can be be important to me, without it having to be about you, nor about how you pretend hit me because you didn't. But it seems you want to insist that I'm here because of you, where it's all about you and you insist that you really did hit me, again revealing your bad faith reason to come here. So you derive your sense of significance in this interaction by pretending you are hurting someone else...when all I really see you doing is trying to do that, but failing. Just being abusive and ignoring talking about what you can't admit you failed at, the topic at hand. So you see that even when I push back against you...we still can't get past your, everything-is-about-you attitude. I guess that must be filling a hole. Which means I suppose that the more I reply to you, the more you derive from this. From that point of view, it's not in your best interests that I reply, and encourage this behavior. But like I said, I'm not here for you, I'm here for me. And I believe that if I point this out, if you let yourself see the pattern...you will change it eventually. Sometimes all it takes is someone to have a little bit of pushback, to hear something they haven't heard before. Granted...I admit it's probably deep seated for you. But I still believe that me laying it out clearly like this, is going to have an imprint in your mind. And is going to change your behavior, if you choose to let it. And that helps me feel good...to think that my contribution to how you're doing wrong right now, is gonna help you do right in future. That will mean that other people are saved from your abuse. People unlike me. People who can't stand up for themselves, nor see the patterns clearly. People who would just cop the hurt, when they shouldn't, when it's not theirs. When they don't deserve it. But anyway...that's a bonus. Like I said, I'm not here for you, I'm here for me. I'm just here saying what I choose to say for myself. So you're the guy replying, playing the fake victim card, complaining how your bad-faith tactics and abusiveness are being pointed out...but saying, it didn't hit you? But saying the other guy is bold for saying it didn't hit him? See I think you said that first. I didn't start with needing to pretend I hurt you...you started with that. That was your bag. And I'm just pushing that back on to you, because it doesn't apply to me. But think it reveals, it's another thing that reveals, that it applies to you. Like I said before, I didn't say it hit me personally. I was saying that hit you personally. you keep thinking it's the other way around. I guess because that's what you need to think here. For me, I didn't think you'd reply this comment...so I didn't check. Because it was clear your argument had nowhere to go compared to what I said. But considering your bad faith abusiveness that seems to have driven your engagement here, rather than topicality...I guess it makes sense you would come back--again I was extending my generosity, my grace, to you by not wanting to see that abusive side of it and just consider you are here for the topic)--because that's what you're here for: to play the fake victim card, try to pretend I'm wrong, and try to pretend you've hurt me. Because that's what motivates you here: trying to hurt other people under the cover of being doing nothing wrong or being the fake victim yourself. Pretty predictable reaction...actually. I guess if you're Friday night was so great why would you come back here on a Saturday morning to whinge about it? Anyway, thank you very much for this. I loved this interaction. It was very valuable to me and thank you for contribution to me here. I really appreciate it. I look forward to seeing what you say next if anything. If not, no worries, it was so good so far!