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None of this is true. The latest frameworks aren’t just “trends”, like fashion. They’re improved ways of doing things. Better, simpler, more reliable. Advoc

None of this is true. The latest frameworks aren’t just “trends”, like fashion. They’re improved ways of doing things. Better, simpler, more reliable. Advocating to use tech that changes slowly, or avoid latest frameworks is advocating being slower and less productive.

ceejayoz 5y ago
There’s a cost to learning a new framework that may outweigh the incremental benefits, especially if you have to do it every few years.
morty_s 5y ago
Eh, idk. We could have lisp, x-expressions, macros, and DSLs instead of most frameworks. We could even use lisp dialects to “write C” (eg Chicken Scheme). I do think a lot of frameworks are fashion statements, but that’s okay because style matters when doing creative work.
- 57844743385 5y ago
  The people who say latest javascript frameworks are just fashions are not javascript developers. They’re developers from other ecosystems who just want to look down in javascript and feel superior.
Cacti 5y ago
Frameworks are a spinning wheel that reinvent technology every 3-5 years. It only seems like an improvement because the people using and writing it are relearning the same lessons that their predecessors already learned, but are unaware of this. There’s only so many ways to write a reasonable GUI framework. There’s only so many ways to do general purpose data stores. There’s only so many ways to handle events. There’s only so many ways to schedule load/threads/work. There’s only so many ways to build code. There’s only so many ways to do object/class/etc. inheritance. There’s only so many ways to do interfaces/contracts/whatever. etc. It’s the same patterns and trade offs over and over again, but if you’ve never much of anything outside of web dev you’d never know that. The past 15 years of web dev is the story of young programmers racing forward, having never bothered to look at the past.

ceejayoz 5y ago

There’s a cost to learning a new framework that may outweigh the incremental benefits, especially if you have to do it every few years.

morty_s 5y ago

Eh, idk. We could have lisp, x-expressions, macros, and DSLs instead of most frameworks. We could even use lisp dialects to “write C” (eg Chicken Scheme). I do think a lot of frameworks are fashion statements, but that’s okay because style matters when doing creative work.

57844743385 5y ago
The people who say latest javascript frameworks are just fashions are not javascript developers. They’re developers from other ecosystems who just want to look down in javascript and feel superior.

Cacti 5y ago

Frameworks are a spinning wheel that reinvent technology every 3-5 years. It only seems like an improvement because the people using and writing it are relearning the same lessons that their predecessors already learned, but are unaware of this. There’s only so many ways to write a reasonable GUI framework. There’s only so many ways to do general purpose data stores. There’s only so many ways to handle events. There’s only so many ways to schedule load/threads/work. There’s only so many ways to build code. There’s only so many ways to do object/class/etc. inheritance. There’s only so many ways to do interfaces/contracts/whatever. etc. It’s the same patterns and trade offs over and over again, but if you’ve never much of anything outside of web dev you’d never know that. The past 15 years of web dev is the story of young programmers racing forward, having never bothered to look at the past.