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Thank you for the anecdata. Got any data to go with it?

walterbell 5y ago
CDC slide #7 reports 20 times higher myopericarditis than baseline for 18-24 year old males, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... Aug 2021 study from Yale, John Hopkins, Stanford, UCSF and others, https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/08/12/peds.2021-053427.full.pdf https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/ea... > 63 patients with a mean age of 15.6 years were included. 92% were male. All had received an mRNA vaccine and, except for one, presented following the 2nd dose. Four patients had significant dysrhythmia. 14% had mild left ventricular dysfunction on echocardiography which resolved on discharge. 88% met the diagnostic cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR) Lake Louise criteria for myocarditis.
- kazinator 5y ago
  > Lake Louise criteria That's a lovely place in Aberta. Why this name? This is evidently due to the criteria emerging from the International Hypoxia Symposium, which took place in Lake Louise in February 2015.
kazinator 5y ago
I posted this for the benefit of people who might be interested of what one person's experience was like who came down with this: what does it mean to have this inflammation surrounding the heart. There is some data referenced right in the same story: > U.S. data analysis showed the estimated rate of heart inflammation happening after the second dose of an mRNA vaccine is 16 cases in a million (one in 62,500 cases), according to a document published by the BCCDC in June 2021. I am getting every available jab, myself. In April 2020, my personal attitude was already that I'm ready for anything experimental: just let me know where and when.
- didibus 5y ago
  That's interesting, the EMA EU data shows 1.6 per million, while this CDC data would show 16 per million. This is where I've struggles in the Pandemic, sources of data are hard to find, and then understanding their details for one against another are similarly difficult. For example, the EMA data I use to see 1.6 per million is for under 40 year olds, so maybe if you partitioned it under 24 year old same as the CDC you'd see something closer to 16 per million as well.
- tclancy 5y ago
  It’s incredibly open minded to feel that way and post anecdata arguing against how you feel.
  - kazinator 5y ago
    I'm disappointed that you're still motivated to continue in this interaction style and tone. This story I linked to is a decently balanced piece of journalism. It's relevant to the specific topic of this HN submission, giving an account of someone who was in that situation. It does not "argue against how I feel", and contains citations of data. I am mainly disinterested in this topic; the words "COVID", "vaccine", "virus" and such are primarily triggers for me to hit the back button, change the channel, ...

CDC slide #7 reports 20 times higher myopericarditis than baseline for 18-24 year old males, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... Aug 2021 study from Yale, John Hopkins, Stanford, UCSF and others, https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/08/12/peds.2021-053427.full.pdf https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/ea... > 63 patients with a mean age of 15.6 years were included. 92% were male. All had received an mRNA vaccine and, except for one, presented following the 2nd dose. Four patients had significant dysrhythmia. 14% had mild left ventricular dysfunction on echocardiography which resolved on discharge. 88% met the diagnostic cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR) Lake Louise criteria for myocarditis.

kazinator 5y ago
> Lake Louise criteria That's a lovely place in Aberta. Why this name? This is evidently due to the criteria emerging from the International Hypoxia Symposium, which took place in Lake Louise in February 2015.

kazinator 5y ago

I posted this for the benefit of people who might be interested of what one person's experience was like who came down with this: what does it mean to have this inflammation surrounding the heart. There is some data referenced right in the same story: > U.S. data analysis showed the estimated rate of heart inflammation happening after the second dose of an mRNA vaccine is 16 cases in a million (one in 62,500 cases), according to a document published by the BCCDC in June 2021. I am getting every available jab, myself. In April 2020, my personal attitude was already that I'm ready for anything experimental: just let me know where and when.

didibus 5y ago
That's interesting, the EMA EU data shows 1.6 per million, while this CDC data would show 16 per million. This is where I've struggles in the Pandemic, sources of data are hard to find, and then understanding their details for one against another are similarly difficult. For example, the EMA data I use to see 1.6 per million is for under 40 year olds, so maybe if you partitioned it under 24 year old same as the CDC you'd see something closer to 16 per million as well.
tclancy 5y ago
It’s incredibly open minded to feel that way and post anecdata arguing against how you feel.
- kazinator 5y ago
  I'm disappointed that you're still motivated to continue in this interaction style and tone. This story I linked to is a decently balanced piece of journalism. It's relevant to the specific topic of this HN submission, giving an account of someone who was in that situation. It does not "argue against how I feel", and contains citations of data. I am mainly disinterested in this topic; the words "COVID", "vaccine", "virus" and such are primarily triggers for me to hit the back button, change the channel, ...