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compare and contrast these findings to the CDC data released today: > Hospitalization rate for unvaccinated teens 10 times the rate for those vaccinated, CDC s

by bryan0 5y ago

compare and contrast these findings to the CDC data released today: > Hospitalization rate for unvaccinated teens 10 times the rate for those vaccinated, CDC says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/03/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/03/covid-delta...)

walterbell 5y ago
How many of those "unvaccinated" were partly vaccinated? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > In general, people are considered fully vaccinated: 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine
- bryan0 5y ago
  I believe none. Partially vaxed were not included in the data: > Fully vaccinated adolescents with COVID-19–associated hospitalizations were defined as those who had received a second vaccine dose ≥14 days before a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result associated with their hospitalization. Adolescents whose positive SARS-CoV-2 test date was ≥14 days after a single dose through <14 days after a second dose were considered partially vaccinated and were not included in rates; adolescents who had received a single dose of vaccine <14 days before the positive SARS-CoV-2 test result were also not included in rates. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm
  - walterbell 5y ago
    That's excellent. Do you know if that methodology (exclusion of partly-vaccinated) applies to other CDC studies? e.g. are there studies where partly-vaccinated are reported as a separate category, rather than dropping the data?
    - bryan0 5y ago
      Good question. I don't know the answer.
  - jb775 5y ago
    > Partially vaxed were not included in the data Why not? And where is that data? Unless there's something I'm not understanding, I'd consider this lying by omission.
- jb775 5y ago
  It's pretty incredible they claim people are "unvaccinated" for 2 weeks after getting vaccinated. Why not consider them "recently vaccinated"?? And where is the proven science backing up the claim it takes exactly 14 days before the vaccination kicks in? i.e. Is it 0% effective on day 13? Considering the CDC and the media are freely blasting out headlines such as: "A Pandemic of the Un-vaccinated", I'd say it's safe to consider them to be blatantly lying by omission.
sp332 5y ago
But those numbers are not comparable. Increasing by 10x doesn't necessarily mean it's high enough to outweigh the risks from side effects.
- bryan0 5y ago
  There's more data in the actual study[0] which I think would allow you to make the comparison of risk of hospitalization from vaxed caused myocarditis vs Covid. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm
crackercrews 5y ago
> The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, children and adolescents meeting COVID-NET criteria with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result might have been hospitalized primarily for reasons other than COVID-19 (2), resulting in potential overestimations of hospitalization rates. This is another study where kids who were hospitalized for some unrelated thing and who tested positive for COVID are counted as being hospitalized for COVID. Considering that most kids are not vaccinated (many are too young and most of those who are old enough are not vaccinated), it is not surprising that most of the kids who were hospitalized for any reason and tested positive were not vaccinated. Note: they apparently test all hospital admits for COVID these days.

by bryan0 5y ago

walterbell 5y ago

How many of those "unvaccinated" were partly vaccinated? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > In general, people are considered fully vaccinated: 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine

bryan0 5y ago
I believe none. Partially vaxed were not included in the data: > Fully vaccinated adolescents with COVID-19–associated hospitalizations were defined as those who had received a second vaccine dose ≥14 days before a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result associated with their hospitalization. Adolescents whose positive SARS-CoV-2 test date was ≥14 days after a single dose through <14 days after a second dose were considered partially vaccinated and were not included in rates; adolescents who had received a single dose of vaccine <14 days before the positive SARS-CoV-2 test result were also not included in rates. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm
- walterbell 5y ago
  That's excellent. Do you know if that methodology (exclusion of partly-vaccinated) applies to other CDC studies? e.g. are there studies where partly-vaccinated are reported as a separate category, rather than dropping the data?
  - bryan0 5y ago
    Good question. I don't know the answer.
- jb775 5y ago
  > Partially vaxed were not included in the data Why not? And where is that data? Unless there's something I'm not understanding, I'd consider this lying by omission.
jb775 5y ago
It's pretty incredible they claim people are "unvaccinated" for 2 weeks after getting vaccinated. Why not consider them "recently vaccinated"?? And where is the proven science backing up the claim it takes exactly 14 days before the vaccination kicks in? i.e. Is it 0% effective on day 13? Considering the CDC and the media are freely blasting out headlines such as: "A Pandemic of the Un-vaccinated", I'd say it's safe to consider them to be blatantly lying by omission.

sp332 5y ago

But those numbers are not comparable. Increasing by 10x doesn't necessarily mean it's high enough to outweigh the risks from side effects.

bryan0 5y ago
There's more data in the actual study[0] which I think would allow you to make the comparison of risk of hospitalization from vaxed caused myocarditis vs Covid. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm

crackercrews 5y ago

> The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, children and adolescents meeting COVID-NET criteria with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result might have been hospitalized primarily for reasons other than COVID-19 (2), resulting in potential overestimations of hospitalization rates. This is another study where kids who were hospitalized for some unrelated thing and who tested positive for COVID are counted as being hospitalized for COVID. Considering that most kids are not vaccinated (many are too young and most of those who are old enough are not vaccinated), it is not surprising that most of the kids who were hospitalized for any reason and tested positive were not vaccinated. Note: they apparently test all hospital admits for COVID these days.