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I hope someone is maintaining a list of these companies that do stunts like this in reaction to politics. Because I don’t want to be a customer of theirs ever,

I hope someone is maintaining a list of these companies that do stunts like this in reaction to politics. Because I don’t want to be a customer of theirs ever, whether I agree or disagree with what they support. It shows they value being part of the political culture war over providing a good service to any customer.

greyivy 5y ago
Conversely, many of us would appreciate a list of companies who have solid values and aren't afraid to take a stand against oppressive institutions like the Texas government. I'd never use GoDaddy for many reasons, but good on them for not caving to the "free speech at any cost" crowd.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > solid values You mean values that change over time and along with fashion? That's the opposite of "solid".
  - greyivy 5y ago
    Values are supposed to evolve over time. It would be an issue if they went back on this, however. We'll see what happens.
- Dracophoenix 5y ago
  Question: How would you feel about ICANN or root server owners like Verisign or Network Solutions retracting IPs and domain names from governments and organizations for actions they don't like? Under §230, they're obviously entitled to do so.
  - greyivy 5y ago
    Its nuanced and it really depends on what they're removing, why they're removing it, and how it will affect people in the end. A corporation removing a site with the goal of stripping vulnerable women of their reproductive rights and and policing their bodily autonomy by reporting them to the state is something I support 110%. HN is all about fighting institutions that are actively eroding our right to privacy until said institutions set their crosshairs on women (or other minority groups). It's tiring.
    - dane-pgp 5y ago
      Aren't children in the womb a more vulnerable minority group? You're entitled to answer "No." to that question, but please don't say it's tiring looking down from your moral high ground as if your position is the only one that cares about human rights. This is a complex issue, and, for what it's worth, I think there are multiple problems with the Texas legislation and the court's reaction to it.
- benf76 5y ago
  Freedomlist.io
pstuart 5y ago
> political culture war What's happening in Texas is deeply tied to Christian Dominionism.
jpmoral 5y ago
> It shows they value being part of the political culture war over providing a good service to any customer. Why assume that? I think they just don't want to deal with the legal questions around people submitting other people's PII. > GoDaddy took action after Gizmodo reported that Texas Right to Life's new website, prolifewhistleblower.com, seems to violate a GoDaddy rule that says website operators may not "collect or harvest (or permit anyone else to collect or harvest) any User Content or any non-public or personally identifiable information about another user or any other person or entity without their express prior written consent."
papito 5y ago
There is nothing political in this instance. This violates their ToS, and even without that, this is a normal reaction to what most legal experts consider an activist legislature stunt that will not stand a real legal challenge. Even another Supreme Court justice called the decision to not issue a stay for this vigilante law "stunning", so let's not clutch pearls here.
perl4ever 5y ago
I think you're deceiving yourself. Corporations are not doing "stunts" or putting "the political culture war" over business; they have been forced to take sides because of what is obviously toxic for their business. Any company of significant size that's not totally controlled by a single person doesn't side with "good" or "evil" but with what they think is consistent with survival and profits. If you think the law is a good thing, maybe you do not focus on the logistical problems it causes for even a non-ideological business. There was an article about Uber and Lyft indemnifying drivers against lawsuits over driving people to abortion clinics, I think, that illustrates this - they protect their business, and then they put a veneer on it that they are doing it for the reasons many people want to hear.

greyivy 5y ago

Conversely, many of us would appreciate a list of companies who have solid values and aren't afraid to take a stand against oppressive institutions like the Texas government. I'd never use GoDaddy for many reasons, but good on them for not caving to the "free speech at any cost" crowd.

ekianjo 5y ago
> solid values You mean values that change over time and along with fashion? That's the opposite of "solid".
- greyivy 5y ago
  Values are supposed to evolve over time. It would be an issue if they went back on this, however. We'll see what happens.
Dracophoenix 5y ago
Question: How would you feel about ICANN or root server owners like Verisign or Network Solutions retracting IPs and domain names from governments and organizations for actions they don't like? Under §230, they're obviously entitled to do so.
- greyivy 5y ago
  Its nuanced and it really depends on what they're removing, why they're removing it, and how it will affect people in the end. A corporation removing a site with the goal of stripping vulnerable women of their reproductive rights and and policing their bodily autonomy by reporting them to the state is something I support 110%. HN is all about fighting institutions that are actively eroding our right to privacy until said institutions set their crosshairs on women (or other minority groups). It's tiring.
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    Aren't children in the womb a more vulnerable minority group? You're entitled to answer "No." to that question, but please don't say it's tiring looking down from your moral high ground as if your position is the only one that cares about human rights. This is a complex issue, and, for what it's worth, I think there are multiple problems with the Texas legislation and the court's reaction to it.
benf76 5y ago
Freedomlist.io

pstuart 5y ago

> political culture war What's happening in Texas is deeply tied to Christian Dominionism.

jpmoral 5y ago

> It shows they value being part of the political culture war over providing a good service to any customer. Why assume that? I think they just don't want to deal with the legal questions around people submitting other people's PII. > GoDaddy took action after Gizmodo reported that Texas Right to Life's new website, prolifewhistleblower.com, seems to violate a GoDaddy rule that says website operators may not "collect or harvest (or permit anyone else to collect or harvest) any User Content or any non-public or personally identifiable information about another user or any other person or entity without their express prior written consent."

papito 5y ago

There is nothing political in this instance. This violates their ToS, and even without that, this is a normal reaction to what most legal experts consider an activist legislature stunt that will not stand a real legal challenge. Even another Supreme Court justice called the decision to not issue a stay for this vigilante law "stunning", so let's not clutch pearls here.

perl4ever 5y ago

I think you're deceiving yourself. Corporations are not doing "stunts" or putting "the political culture war" over business; they have been forced to take sides because of what is obviously toxic for their business. Any company of significant size that's not totally controlled by a single person doesn't side with "good" or "evil" but with what they think is consistent with survival and profits. If you think the law is a good thing, maybe you do not focus on the logistical problems it causes for even a non-ideological business. There was an article about Uber and Lyft indemnifying drivers against lawsuits over driving people to abortion clinics, I think, that illustrates this - they protect their business, and then they put a veneer on it that they are doing it for the reasons many people want to hear.