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"So now the question is in what 15.X update do they just sneak it in." I think they cannot really sneak it in. Some people do read updated TOS. And I think a "

"So now the question is in what 15.X update do they just sneak it in." I think they cannot really sneak it in. Some people do read updated TOS. And I think a "featurechange" like this, requires one. And yes, the question will be, if the broad attention to the topic can be brought back on to it, if that happens. And they clearly say it will come, only with some "improvements" (but I cannot think of any improvements, that can be made, without abondoning the basic concept): "we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features"

Zak 5y ago
> I cannot think of any improvements, that can be made, without abondoning the basic concept The concept of scanning for CSAM during the upload process, or the concept of making the user's device do it? Apple could do the former on their own servers and essentially nobody would be upset.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  The basic concept of Apple running private pictures through an KI algorithm to detect something worthy of investigation. The algorithms never work 100% right. That means there will be always humans in the loop, sorting through false positives etc. which means probably very private pictures here in this context. And to the end user it does not matter, whether this happens on the server or on their device. The message is: your pictures are not private with apple.
  - Zak 5y ago
    It matters very much with regard to the distinction between yours and theirs. I strongly believe the operating system of your device should never actively work against your interests, and checking whether you're using the device to commit a crime, then reporting it to the device manufacturer who will tell the government is potentially strongly against your interests. If that's too abstract, it matters in that it's a foothold for further scanning of data on your device. Without this system, if a state wanted to pressure Apple to create spyware and add it to their operating system to look for something else, that would have been easy to refuse. With this system, the spyware is already there, and despite Apple's protests to the contrary, it's just a matter of a few tweaks to repurpose it.

Zak 5y ago

> I cannot think of any improvements, that can be made, without abondoning the basic concept The concept of scanning for CSAM during the upload process, or the concept of making the user's device do it? Apple could do the former on their own servers and essentially nobody would be upset.

hutzlibu 5y ago
The basic concept of Apple running private pictures through an KI algorithm to detect something worthy of investigation. The algorithms never work 100% right. That means there will be always humans in the loop, sorting through false positives etc. which means probably very private pictures here in this context. And to the end user it does not matter, whether this happens on the server or on their device. The message is: your pictures are not private with apple.
- Zak 5y ago
  It matters very much with regard to the distinction between yours and theirs. I strongly believe the operating system of your device should never actively work against your interests, and checking whether you're using the device to commit a crime, then reporting it to the device manufacturer who will tell the government is potentially strongly against your interests. If that's too abstract, it matters in that it's a foothold for further scanning of data on your device. Without this system, if a state wanted to pressure Apple to create spyware and add it to their operating system to look for something else, that would have been easy to refuse. With this system, the spyware is already there, and despite Apple's protests to the contrary, it's just a matter of a few tweaks to repurpose it.