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> normal evolutionary constraint for a virus to become less-harmful (to maximize transmission) I don't know why we're taking it for granted that maximizing tr

> normal evolutionary constraint for a virus to become less-harmful (to maximize transmission) I don't know why we're taking it for granted that maximizing transmission is the same as being less harmful. The delta variant seems both more harmful AND more transmissible (and developed in an area that didn't have vaccines yet last fall). There seems to be a good case to be made that, say, ebola is too harmful to be super transmissible. I don't think we can say the same for Covid yet. The majority of cases have never been fatal, on the contrary, being transmissible is what's made it a public threat and mass scale killer already. "Transmitting it without symptoms" has been a thing since day 1.

generalizations 5y ago
> The delta variant seems both more harmful AND more transmissible (and developed in an area that didn't have vaccines yet last fall). I left it out of the initial explanation for the sake of brevity, but there's several outcomes from a leaky vaccine. Two of them are: increased lethality, and adaptation to vaccines, requiring new vaccines to be developed. So yeah, the delta variant makes it look like we might be dealing with a leaky vaccine scenario.
corty 5y ago
You have to look at the reasons why this behavior is occuring: Viruses get less harmful if it improves transmission. E.g. if you are more active and have a higher rate of contacts, even if infected and sick with a certain strain, that strain has an advantage. With Covid, most of the transmission occurs before symptoms appear, meaning that the severity of the following illness is irrelevant to transmission. In that case, the virus has no advantage from being less harmful. Also, simpler changes are preferred over more complex ones. Delta probably just has a mutation that allows it to reproduce faster after an infection, meaning that both infectiousness as well as severity of illness go up at the same time. Mutations that increase infectiousness but lower severity are usually more complex, so less likely to occur, especially if not selected for.

generalizations 5y ago

> The delta variant seems both more harmful AND more transmissible (and developed in an area that didn't have vaccines yet last fall). I left it out of the initial explanation for the sake of brevity, but there's several outcomes from a leaky vaccine. Two of them are: increased lethality, and adaptation to vaccines, requiring new vaccines to be developed. So yeah, the delta variant makes it look like we might be dealing with a leaky vaccine scenario.

corty 5y ago

You have to look at the reasons why this behavior is occuring: Viruses get less harmful if it improves transmission. E.g. if you are more active and have a higher rate of contacts, even if infected and sick with a certain strain, that strain has an advantage. With Covid, most of the transmission occurs before symptoms appear, meaning that the severity of the following illness is irrelevant to transmission. In that case, the virus has no advantage from being less harmful. Also, simpler changes are preferred over more complex ones. Delta probably just has a mutation that allows it to reproduce faster after an infection, meaning that both infectiousness as well as severity of illness go up at the same time. Mutations that increase infectiousness but lower severity are usually more complex, so less likely to occur, especially if not selected for.