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Does anyone else wonder if HN is being subjected to an anti-vax disinformation campaign?

by ericb 5y ago

nomel 5y ago
Presence does not mean campaign. I think people had some unrealistic expectations for the vaccines, partly from poor communication from leaders, maybe mostly from misunderstanding, and those expectations (realistic or not) are not being met. I would claim that very few people understood that this was very likely permanent, when it started. Many people are now realizing this, and are afraid, angry, and confused.
- zaphod4prez 5y ago
  I agree, especially about the poor communications from leaders part... the overwhelming official message (as I have experienced it) has been "vaccines will save us". There was never any serious attempt to add ventilation to schools and public places, nor to set reasonable expectations about how much a vax can do when it isnt distributed to the whole world (aka there is still a ton of circulating virus & new variants forming all the time). I have found this immensely frustrating. And now people who have been trusting those official sources are finding themselves surprised, confused, and, yes, scared.
halfjoking 5y ago
I didn’t start commenting about the vaxx until I learned I’m losing my job by not taking it. We might be a minority, but that minority will become more vocal once it starts ruining our lives. I already had longcovid 14 months (Mar 2020 - Jun 2021) so whatever restriction/punishment someone wants to impose on me for not taking the advice of mainstream doctors… it can’t be any worse than longcovid.
cmrdporcupine 5y ago
Yes, I'm finding it a bit mindboggling how the tone here has swung. There's definitely a vocal minority that chimes in on this subject across all sorts of threads, regardless of the original topic.
Tarsul 5y ago
I think it has to do with the fact that people realize that these days basically vaccinated people stand in direct conflict to the the anti-vaxxers. So, earlier it appeared as if people could just do whatever they pleased (get a vaccination or not), but now everyone comes to the realization that this is not enough (at least not in the US and other countries, look at Denmark to see that it can be enough. But there over 80% of all over 12 year olds have been vaccinated. Thats miles ahead of e.g. US). This means that people who do not want to be vaccinated feel threatened in their choice because the public mood is at a tipping point (also because there are some vaccination orders coming for certain groups, e.g. military). Anti-vaxxers think their choice is theirs. But with rising hospitalization their choice means not just more deaths, but also tough choices for politicians and businesses in deciding how much they let people die instead of going into another lock-down. If more people were vaccinated this choice wouldn't have to be made. This is why vaccinated people are getting more irritated against anti-vaxxers. And also why anti-vaxxers are fighting for their choice and opinion.

Does anyone else wonder if HN is being subjected to an anti-vax disinformation campaign?

by ericb 5y ago

Does anyone else wonder if HN is being subjected to an anti-vax disinformation campaign?

Presence does not mean campaign. I think people had some unrealistic expectations for the vaccines, partly from poor communication from leaders, maybe mostly from misunderstanding, and those expectations (realistic or not) are not being met. I would claim that very few people understood that this was very likely permanent, when it started. Many people are now realizing this, and are afraid, angry, and confused.

zaphod4prez 5y ago
I agree, especially about the poor communications from leaders part... the overwhelming official message (as I have experienced it) has been "vaccines will save us". There was never any serious attempt to add ventilation to schools and public places, nor to set reasonable expectations about how much a vax can do when it isnt distributed to the whole world (aka there is still a ton of circulating virus & new variants forming all the time). I have found this immensely frustrating. And now people who have been trusting those official sources are finding themselves surprised, confused, and, yes, scared.

halfjoking 5y ago

I didn’t start commenting about the vaxx until I learned I’m losing my job by not taking it. We might be a minority, but that minority will become more vocal once it starts ruining our lives. I already had longcovid 14 months (Mar 2020 - Jun 2021) so whatever restriction/punishment someone wants to impose on me for not taking the advice of mainstream doctors… it can’t be any worse than longcovid.

cmrdporcupine 5y ago

Yes, I'm finding it a bit mindboggling how the tone here has swung. There's definitely a vocal minority that chimes in on this subject across all sorts of threads, regardless of the original topic.

Tarsul 5y ago

I think it has to do with the fact that people realize that these days basically vaccinated people stand in direct conflict to the the anti-vaxxers. So, earlier it appeared as if people could just do whatever they pleased (get a vaccination or not), but now everyone comes to the realization that this is not enough (at least not in the US and other countries, look at Denmark to see that it can be enough. But there over 80% of all over 12 year olds have been vaccinated. Thats miles ahead of e.g. US). This means that people who do not want to be vaccinated feel threatened in their choice because the public mood is at a tipping point (also because there are some vaccination orders coming for certain groups, e.g. military). Anti-vaxxers think their choice is theirs. But with rising hospitalization their choice means not just more deaths, but also tough choices for politicians and businesses in deciding how much they let people die instead of going into another lock-down. If more people were vaccinated this choice wouldn't have to be made. This is why vaccinated people are getting more irritated against anti-vaxxers. And also why anti-vaxxers are fighting for their choice and opinion.