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If Apple wanted to make the iPhone a sandwich, we could eat it. But until then you can't. Apple could read your whole phone content and send it to governments

If Apple wanted to make the iPhone a sandwich, we could eat it. But until then you can't. Apple could read your whole phone content and send it to governments without your consent if they wanted to, on device-scanning or not. Util they do, there is no breach of privacy. If you believe Apple can implement one-party consent snitching on iPhone without telling anyone, then you shouldn't use closed source software in the first place, because there is zero reason to believe that they haven't already implemented this.

malwrar 5y ago
> Apple could read your whole phone content and send it to governments without your consent if they wanted to, on device-scanning or not. Util they do, there is no breach of privacy. This misses the point. Apple has repeatedly assured its customers (I’m waiting for my Pinephone to get here so I no longer need to be one) that the devices they buy are theirs. This is how things always have been, and although you’re right they could in theory slip some law enforcement update on my phone, they’re publicly refused to do so before and I trusted them as a result. They’re not secretly slipping in a government backdoor though, they’re backpedaling on their promises and openly installing a backdoor on my phone for no reason. Why let this slide like it’s normal, or pretend like this isn’t a betrayal? They refused to unlock an iPhone owned by a mass shooter! Plus, for many people, Apple and Android are basically the only options for modern computing. Their decisions in this market normalize stuff like this. I don’t want future devices to be forced to implement easily-abused crap like this because Apple convinced people this is a solvable problem with machine accuracy. We’re already seeing this for open questions like moderation and copyright enforcement, with horrific results that are now just normal.
- oreilles 5y ago
  > Apple has repeatedly assured its customers that the devices they buy are theirs That is definetly not true. Apple has always been anti-ownership. By making the OS closed source, preventing installation of other OS, preventing sideloading applications, preventing self repair, preventing parts distribution etc etc. What they used to say is that what's on your device stays on your device, and that you decide what you share. And they stay true to that promise. If you don't want to share you pictures with Apple, you don't use iCloud photos, end of the story. > openly installing a backdoor on my phone A backdoor is defined by two characteristics: one, the user do not know the existence of the backdoor. Two, the backdoor allows the attacker to bypass device security in order to gain access. You know the existence of the scanning feature, and this feature does not allow Apple nor anyone to gain access or information about what's on your phone without your consent. It is not a backdoor in any way you can think of it.

malwrar 5y ago

> Apple could read your whole phone content and send it to governments without your consent if they wanted to, on device-scanning or not. Util they do, there is no breach of privacy. This misses the point. Apple has repeatedly assured its customers (I’m waiting for my Pinephone to get here so I no longer need to be one) that the devices they buy are theirs. This is how things always have been, and although you’re right they could in theory slip some law enforcement update on my phone, they’re publicly refused to do so before and I trusted them as a result. They’re not secretly slipping in a government backdoor though, they’re backpedaling on their promises and openly installing a backdoor on my phone for no reason. Why let this slide like it’s normal, or pretend like this isn’t a betrayal? They refused to unlock an iPhone owned by a mass shooter! Plus, for many people, Apple and Android are basically the only options for modern computing. Their decisions in this market normalize stuff like this. I don’t want future devices to be forced to implement easily-abused crap like this because Apple convinced people this is a solvable problem with machine accuracy. We’re already seeing this for open questions like moderation and copyright enforcement, with horrific results that are now just normal.

oreilles 5y ago
> Apple has repeatedly assured its customers that the devices they buy are theirs That is definetly not true. Apple has always been anti-ownership. By making the OS closed source, preventing installation of other OS, preventing sideloading applications, preventing self repair, preventing parts distribution etc etc. What they used to say is that what's on your device stays on your device, and that you decide what you share. And they stay true to that promise. If you don't want to share you pictures with Apple, you don't use iCloud photos, end of the story. > openly installing a backdoor on my phone A backdoor is defined by two characteristics: one, the user do not know the existence of the backdoor. Two, the backdoor allows the attacker to bypass device security in order to gain access. You know the existence of the scanning feature, and this feature does not allow Apple nor anyone to gain access or information about what's on your phone without your consent. It is not a backdoor in any way you can think of it.