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It's a terrible gotcha. It's only effective on people who already agree with you. Imagine a town council meeting where someone is proposing a $25 fine for crap
by learc83 5y ago
It's a terrible gotcha. It's only effective on people who already agree with you.
Imagine a town council meeting where someone is proposing a $25 fine for crapping on the sidewalk. And a libertarian pops and screaming "You're saying you want to use violence up to and including murder to keep our sidewalks clean!"
Again technically there is a hypothetical chain of causality from sidewalk crapping fine to bodily harm/murder, but no one other than another hardcore libertarian is going to be convinced by that argument.
- ta07643887 5y agoAbsolute nonsense. It’s merely walking through the chain of events and realizing that all dictates are backed by force. The fact that people “don’t agree” means they’re morons. It is fact.
- betwixthewires 5y agoWell it's not saying "nothing should be enforced ever because all enforcement is backed by violence", it is just acknowledging the reality of it and then determining if a particular rule justifies that, and then farther down, if a rule enforced by violence is unjust, determining whether the enforcing party is an enemy or not. Generally libertarians only allow for rules against behaviors that violate the rights of others because of this, and I think that's about right.
- RHSeeger 5y ago> You're saying you want to use violence up to and including murder to keep our sidewalks clean! Because that's what you _are_ saying. Laws are enforced by the police, and they are able to be enforced by the police because the police are legally able to use force. I do not understand what other view there is to take on the issue. In my mind, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.