>Who in the mainstream proposing police violence, bodily or financial harm? This is what you do whenever you propose a fine. Ultimately fines are paid because

>Who in the mainstream proposing police violence, bodily or financial harm? This is what you do whenever you propose a fine. Ultimately fines are paid because otherwise men with guns will threaten you if you don't hand over the money. We spruce it up with layers and layers, but at the end of it if it comes down to it, it is enforced by men with guns.