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By far the worst part of this is the Sackler family gets to keep the money. They were just given immunity from additional lawsuits: https://www.npr.org/2021/09

by jraby3 5y ago

By far the worst part of this is the Sackler family gets to keep the money. They were just given immunity from additional lawsuits: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-immunity-purdue-pharma-oxcyontin-opioid-epidemic https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-imm...

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thehappypm 5y ago
"The deal grants "releases" from liability for harm caused by OxyContin and other opioids to the Sacklers, hundreds of their associates, as well as their remaining empire of companies and trusts. In return, they have agreed to pay roughly $4.3 billion, while also forfeiting ownership of Purdue Pharma." They pay $4.3B and lose their empire. More lawsuits would be for.. what purpose exactly? Put them behind bars? Who does that benefit exactly? Just some sort of vengeance?
- cryptoz 5y ago
  They murdered untold thousands of people and ruined millions of lives. They are criminals and should be treated as such. Basic justice is not 'vengeance', it's simple justice. Also there is no deterrent for future criminals. There is no dissuading jail time; our society just says, hey can you ruin some lives and make some money? You'll get to stay rich and out of jail! It's not sustainable - future criminals will see the royal treatment that the Sacklers' got and be unworried about hurting more people while they get richer.
- Causality1 5y ago
  If I tell someone a glass is full of water when it's actually strychnine, that's murder. If I convince a doctor a medicine isn't dangerous when it is, that's murder. The punishment for half a million murders should not be a line item in a checkbook. My vote's for scaphism.
  - kodah 5y ago
    Was Perdue actually convincing doctors Oxy isn't addictive or dangerous? Most of the documentaries I have watched about the Opioid Crisis and Perdue fairly clearly lay out that Doctors are not as innocent as "being convinced". They were being paid to look the other way. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/10/purdue-opioids-crisis-doctor-testify-against-drugmaker https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/10/purdue-opioi... https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Less-CT-doctors-report-taking-money-from-15067234.php https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Less-CT-doctors-report-...
    - Causality1 5y ago
      That doesn't affect Perdue's guilt.
      - thehappypm 5y ago
        How? If Perdue said “this is basically a miracle pain killer. It carries risks.” and doctors said “k, my patients hate pain, I’ll prescribe it heavily!” that doesn’t sound like Perdue’s fault
        Causality1 5y ago
        Perdue paid them to look the other way. I'm equally guilty whether I trick someone into poisoning someone else or pay them to do it.
        kodah 5y ago
        I'm inclined to agree that it doesn't affect Perdue's guilt. Though, what people are bothered by is that ~$5B doesn't align with the outcome, which I'm also inclined to agree with. I think if you accept my rationalization above then that could leave open a remaining $5B that is owed by participating physicians.
        Causality1 5y ago
- jiveturkey 5y ago
  > vengeance? 'justice', when executed by the state
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Who does that benefit exactly? Just some sort of vengeance? The rule of law, for one. And everyone, for another. The precedent this sets for other pharmaceutical companies is horrible. Lie about the downsides of your drug, aggressively extract profits, stash the money overseas and discharge your liabilities through bankruptcy is an awful playbook.
  - thehappypm 5y ago
    Whose playbook involves taking a $4B bath?
- ryneandal 5y ago
  Considering the scope and breadth of their involvement in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, I don't think losing their money and "empire" is adequate. Prison time is well-deserved considering the outcome of their lies and fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcKURD_osM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcKURD_osM
  - thehappypm 5y ago
    So 2 years of house arrest would make you happy?
- jraby3 5y ago
  In the same article it clearly states they earned over $10B. So yes they got to keep a majority of the money.
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thehappypm 5y ago

"The deal grants "releases" from liability for harm caused by OxyContin and other opioids to the Sacklers, hundreds of their associates, as well as their remaining empire of companies and trusts. In return, they have agreed to pay roughly $4.3 billion, while also forfeiting ownership of Purdue Pharma." They pay $4.3B and lose their empire. More lawsuits would be for.. what purpose exactly? Put them behind bars? Who does that benefit exactly? Just some sort of vengeance?

cryptoz 5y ago
They murdered untold thousands of people and ruined millions of lives. They are criminals and should be treated as such. Basic justice is not 'vengeance', it's simple justice. Also there is no deterrent for future criminals. There is no dissuading jail time; our society just says, hey can you ruin some lives and make some money? You'll get to stay rich and out of jail! It's not sustainable - future criminals will see the royal treatment that the Sacklers' got and be unworried about hurting more people while they get richer.
Causality1 5y ago
If I tell someone a glass is full of water when it's actually strychnine, that's murder. If I convince a doctor a medicine isn't dangerous when it is, that's murder. The punishment for half a million murders should not be a line item in a checkbook. My vote's for scaphism.
- kodah 5y ago
  Was Perdue actually convincing doctors Oxy isn't addictive or dangerous? Most of the documentaries I have watched about the Opioid Crisis and Perdue fairly clearly lay out that Doctors are not as innocent as "being convinced". They were being paid to look the other way. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/10/purdue-opioids-crisis-doctor-testify-against-drugmaker https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/10/purdue-opioi... https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Less-CT-doctors-report-taking-money-from-15067234.php https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Less-CT-doctors-report-...
  - Causality1 5y ago
    That doesn't affect Perdue's guilt.
    - thehappypm 5y ago
      How? If Perdue said “this is basically a miracle pain killer. It carries risks.” and doctors said “k, my patients hate pain, I’ll prescribe it heavily!” that doesn’t sound like Perdue’s fault
      - Causality1 5y ago
        Perdue paid them to look the other way. I'm equally guilty whether I trick someone into poisoning someone else or pay them to do it.
        kodah 5y ago
        I'm inclined to agree that it doesn't affect Perdue's guilt. Though, what people are bothered by is that ~$5B doesn't align with the outcome, which I'm also inclined to agree with. I think if you accept my rationalization above then that could leave open a remaining $5B that is owed by participating physicians.
        Causality1 5y ago
jiveturkey 5y ago
> vengeance? 'justice', when executed by the state
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Who does that benefit exactly? Just some sort of vengeance? The rule of law, for one. And everyone, for another. The precedent this sets for other pharmaceutical companies is horrible. Lie about the downsides of your drug, aggressively extract profits, stash the money overseas and discharge your liabilities through bankruptcy is an awful playbook.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  Whose playbook involves taking a $4B bath?
ryneandal 5y ago
Considering the scope and breadth of their involvement in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, I don't think losing their money and "empire" is adequate. Prison time is well-deserved considering the outcome of their lies and fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcKURD_osM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcKURD_osM
- thehappypm 5y ago
  So 2 years of house arrest would make you happy?
jraby3 5y ago
In the same article it clearly states they earned over $10B. So yes they got to keep a majority of the money.

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