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1. They own their cloud, you own your device. Having your own device work against you is more problematic in principle than having another party you give your d
by wizee 5y ago
1. They own their cloud, you own your device. Having your own device work against you is more problematic in principle than having another party you give your data to working against you. I don’t like the concept of devices that I own betraying me.
2. When scanning is done locally, it’s easier for them to secretly or openly modify the software to scan everything on your device, rather than just what’s just uploaded to iCloud. If they tried scanning everything (including non-iCloud images) in the cloud, the network traffic of uploading every image on your device to the cloud would be observable.
- slg 5y agoYou seemed to have missed my point. They control the entire ecosystem. If you are worried about them doing something secretly to violate your trust, you should assume they are already compromised because the only thing stopping them is a policy decision and not a technical limitation.
- fsflover 5y agoThe difference is, they promised not to look at personal files. If you are using their devices you trust their promises. Now, they broke their promise and a lot of people are loosing the trust.
- slg 5y ago>they promised not to look at personal files Where was this promise stated in these explicit terms, especially the definition of "personal files"? Because Apple is also promising that this only applies to file that are set to be uploaded to iCloud and the expectation of privacy is different for files uploaded to the cloud. Either Apple's promises can be trusted or they can't. And if they can't, you can't trust anything about their devices.
- dschuessler 5y agoI think this comes pretty close to what you're asking for: https://www.maclife.de/media/maclife/styles/tec_frontend_large/public/images/editors/2021_13/image-118863--4584679.jpeg?itok=xWB0Yz9Q https://www.maclife.de/media/maclife/styles/tec_frontend_lar... Of course it is not an explicit promise and doesn't refer to "personal files" but I think it shows where OP is coming from. You can reasonably understand this message in the way they do.
- slg 5y ago"What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" can't be literally true or else your phone wouldn't be able to communicate with any other devices. There is therefore an implicit exception for data that you choose to send elsewhere. As I said, Apple was only planning to scan photos you were sending to iCloud. Therefore these are already files that you agreed to send off your device and they shouldn't be assumed to be covered by that marketing slogan as you are the one choosing to contradict it. You want "What happens on your iPhone to stay on your iPhone"? Turn off iCloud.
- fsflover 5y agoThis should be the default, according to that advertisement.
- slg 5y agoAre you asking for the out of the box default to be that your iPhone can't send an email or iMessage because that wouldn't "stay on your iPhone" either? The marketing speak is marketing speak and obviously not literal.
- fsflover 5y agoSending the email and messages is what the user does. Auto-sending all your photos to a server owned by someone else (and without end-to-end encryption!) by default cannot be described as "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" in my opinion.
- ohazi 5y ago> They own their cloud, you own your device. They push arbitrary software updates to your device at their whim, therefore they own your device.