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well, yeah. My understanding has always been that if you apply for an internal bump and get rejected, you're being shown the door with a little politeness.

sokoloff 5y ago
That’s almost 180° out from my experience. I’ve applied for and both gotten/not-gotten internal positions and managed many dozen employees who went through that process, both successfully and not. The only way an internal applicant increases the likelihood of me showing someone the door is if I find out that a manager in my org has inappropriately shown the door to an employee demonstrating ambition.
- hprotagonist 5y ago
  it's entirely possible that my experience just doesn't mean anything in a big org, i should add: the different groups at microsoft or whatever seem to basically be different companies entirely, so at that scale i have no idea what i'd think about this.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    > the different groups at microsoft or whatever seem to basically be different companies entirely That's fairly typical of any large company. But that's also mean that you are not shown the door by being rejected internally because you are as unknown as an external candidate, and the fact that you are an internal candidate won't make any difference. In fact, depending on company politics, being an internal candidate may even be a disadvantage.
    - hprotagonist 5y ago
      >In fact depending on company politics, being an internal candidate may even be a disadvantage. tangentially also true in universities: there are unis that traditionally disfavor undergraduate alums from matriculation to graduate programs. "We taught you enough our way, go learn how to think differently somewhere else!"
    - uxp100 5y ago
      Yeah, my (very frank and helpful!) internal career counselor told me, whatever the CEO and promotional materials from HR say, be prepared for moving between groups to be much harder than moving within one, there will be bad blood afterwards, especially with how uncertain hiring was due to covid (18 months ago). If I transferred across the company, that would fulfill that groups req, without guaranteeing that the group I left would get one (since a non-official hiring freeze was in place). When I quit that job I noticed they started hiring for my position like 4 months later, so it did take them a while to get a req.
Gunax 5y ago
I have been in the position of interviewing (though not hiring) internal applicants, and I certainly never regarded it oioe that. Its reaooy no different than regular hiring, where everyone is probably okay and we somewhat arbitrarily try to decide who is best. Eg. If we have 5 internal aplocants for one position, 4 people are going to be rejected. And we certainly did not have contact with their previous team. Actualoy their managee might not even know they were trying to transfer.

sokoloff 5y ago

That’s almost 180° out from my experience. I’ve applied for and both gotten/not-gotten internal positions and managed many dozen employees who went through that process, both successfully and not. The only way an internal applicant increases the likelihood of me showing someone the door is if I find out that a manager in my org has inappropriately shown the door to an employee demonstrating ambition.

hprotagonist 5y ago
it's entirely possible that my experience just doesn't mean anything in a big org, i should add: the different groups at microsoft or whatever seem to basically be different companies entirely, so at that scale i have no idea what i'd think about this.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  > the different groups at microsoft or whatever seem to basically be different companies entirely That's fairly typical of any large company. But that's also mean that you are not shown the door by being rejected internally because you are as unknown as an external candidate, and the fact that you are an internal candidate won't make any difference. In fact, depending on company politics, being an internal candidate may even be a disadvantage.
  - hprotagonist 5y ago
    >In fact depending on company politics, being an internal candidate may even be a disadvantage. tangentially also true in universities: there are unis that traditionally disfavor undergraduate alums from matriculation to graduate programs. "We taught you enough our way, go learn how to think differently somewhere else!"
  - uxp100 5y ago
    Yeah, my (very frank and helpful!) internal career counselor told me, whatever the CEO and promotional materials from HR say, be prepared for moving between groups to be much harder than moving within one, there will be bad blood afterwards, especially with how uncertain hiring was due to covid (18 months ago). If I transferred across the company, that would fulfill that groups req, without guaranteeing that the group I left would get one (since a non-official hiring freeze was in place). When I quit that job I noticed they started hiring for my position like 4 months later, so it did take them a while to get a req.

Gunax 5y ago

I have been in the position of interviewing (though not hiring) internal applicants, and I certainly never regarded it oioe that. Its reaooy no different than regular hiring, where everyone is probably okay and we somewhat arbitrarily try to decide who is best. Eg. If we have 5 internal aplocants for one position, 4 people are going to be rejected. And we certainly did not have contact with their previous team. Actualoy their managee might not even know they were trying to transfer.