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Welp... Good thing Wine and Proton keep getting better... Because unless Microsoft pay for my computer, I won't allow them to act as if they own it.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
I hear you. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty to complain about in Linux too which is why I'm still on Windows, but the day is coming where Microsoft has finally made Windows so shitty that it drives me away.
- seph-reed 5y ago
  I switched over to ElementaryOS for my movie/music/games/3d-modeling/video-editing/daw machine a bit ago. It's pretty, and it (mostly) "just works." I legitimately believe this project is on its way to eat Windows and Apples pies. Worth watching the progress of: https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    I don't particularly appreciate Linux distributions that try to pretend they're not Linux distributions by slapping "OS" in their name. Regardless, Elementary doesn't fix any of the issues I personally have with Linux Desktop that keep me from switching today.
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      Eh, IDK. The Arch and Ubuntu experience are very far apart for me, especially as far as hardware support goes (beyond just kernel drivers, I mean - lots of devices need userland utilities to support their functionality, things like remote scanning for instance). They are different OSes that happen to share a kernel, but that's it. Even the userland close to the kernel can be very different.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
        They share a kernel, shells, package management as an application distribution model, and many disparately developed complex systems. They all run the same software more or less. Once you've used a few dozen different Linux distros, which I have over the 20 years I've used Linux for things, you find that almost all of them are basically the same. Occasionally there's an outlier like Gobolinux or Rox that everyone ignores but even they still has most software in common.
  - Tijdreiziger 5y ago
    Which applications do you use for video editing and DAW? How does the experience measure up to the competition on Windows?
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Meh, for all of Linux's minor inconveniences it works pretty damn well and the freedom to not deal with MS and Apple's bullshit is a pretty big win.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    That's subjective. There are deeply ingrained paradigms on Linux that infuriate me to the point that, thus far, I'm more willing to put up with MS's bullshit than I am with Linux Desktop's.
    - ravar 5y ago
      Ditch the Desktop, embrace i3.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
        Even if I liked tiling wms and keyboard-only GUI that wouldn't actually fix many of the issues I have with Linux Desktop. The issues have to do with the multitude of disparately developed complex systems that are kludged together under the hood.
      - jagger27 5y ago
        Or Sway, which is more or less i3-upon-Wayland.
    - jmholla 5y ago
      I'm curious what those are. If they're around the UI, I've found Cinnamon is a really good approximation.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
        I'm already getting downvotes just for mentioning the things I've already mentioned. Unfortunately this is the common reaction whenever anyone brings up having problems with the way Linux Desktop does things. It's apparently ok to complain about lacking hardware support because that's a problem people can dismiss easily with "just buy different hardware", but if you say something like you don't want to use Linux because you think package management is a stupid way to manage applications then people just want you to shut up.
- Frenchgeek 5y ago
  Well, I did spend a few days finding a modern version of Linux that can run on a Mac mini PPC... Its OS X was outdated so I installed Yellowdog on it, then Debian and now that Debian don't support 32 bits G4 anymore all I found was Void Linux. Plus side: there's so little loading at boot, it start very fast. Downside: I had to install Linux like it's 1995. So I know well Linux is far from perfect... But it has become at least as good as the competition for my uses.
  - pabs3 5y ago
    Debian still has an unofficial 32-bit powerpc port, just doesn't have security supported releases of the port.
alerighi 5y ago
I recently switched back to Linux after not using it as my main OS for a couple of years. I was surprised how better it got, one example, everything worked well out of the box, and I installed Arch Linux not Ubuntu, no problem at all, GNOME 40 is great, fonts are good out of the box, gestures that works, things like screen brightness works, Wayland is finally stable, printer installs without too much trouble.
- orf 5y ago
  You're damning it with faint praise there rather than selling it.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

I hear you. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty to complain about in Linux too which is why I'm still on Windows, but the day is coming where Microsoft has finally made Windows so shitty that it drives me away.

seph-reed 5y ago
I switched over to ElementaryOS for my movie/music/games/3d-modeling/video-editing/daw machine a bit ago. It's pretty, and it (mostly) "just works." I legitimately believe this project is on its way to eat Windows and Apples pies. Worth watching the progress of: https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  I don't particularly appreciate Linux distributions that try to pretend they're not Linux distributions by slapping "OS" in their name. Regardless, Elementary doesn't fix any of the issues I personally have with Linux Desktop that keep me from switching today.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    Eh, IDK. The Arch and Ubuntu experience are very far apart for me, especially as far as hardware support goes (beyond just kernel drivers, I mean - lots of devices need userland utilities to support their functionality, things like remote scanning for instance). They are different OSes that happen to share a kernel, but that's it. Even the userland close to the kernel can be very different.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      They share a kernel, shells, package management as an application distribution model, and many disparately developed complex systems. They all run the same software more or less. Once you've used a few dozen different Linux distros, which I have over the 20 years I've used Linux for things, you find that almost all of them are basically the same. Occasionally there's an outlier like Gobolinux or Rox that everyone ignores but even they still has most software in common.
- Tijdreiziger 5y ago
  Which applications do you use for video editing and DAW? How does the experience measure up to the competition on Windows?
Mikeb85 5y ago
Meh, for all of Linux's minor inconveniences it works pretty damn well and the freedom to not deal with MS and Apple's bullshit is a pretty big win.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  That's subjective. There are deeply ingrained paradigms on Linux that infuriate me to the point that, thus far, I'm more willing to put up with MS's bullshit than I am with Linux Desktop's.
  - ravar 5y ago
    Ditch the Desktop, embrace i3.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      Even if I liked tiling wms and keyboard-only GUI that wouldn't actually fix many of the issues I have with Linux Desktop. The issues have to do with the multitude of disparately developed complex systems that are kludged together under the hood.
    - jagger27 5y ago
      Or Sway, which is more or less i3-upon-Wayland.
  - jmholla 5y ago
    I'm curious what those are. If they're around the UI, I've found Cinnamon is a really good approximation.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      I'm already getting downvotes just for mentioning the things I've already mentioned. Unfortunately this is the common reaction whenever anyone brings up having problems with the way Linux Desktop does things. It's apparently ok to complain about lacking hardware support because that's a problem people can dismiss easily with "just buy different hardware", but if you say something like you don't want to use Linux because you think package management is a stupid way to manage applications then people just want you to shut up.
Frenchgeek 5y ago
Well, I did spend a few days finding a modern version of Linux that can run on a Mac mini PPC... Its OS X was outdated so I installed Yellowdog on it, then Debian and now that Debian don't support 32 bits G4 anymore all I found was Void Linux. Plus side: there's so little loading at boot, it start very fast. Downside: I had to install Linux like it's 1995. So I know well Linux is far from perfect... But it has become at least as good as the competition for my uses.
- pabs3 5y ago
  Debian still has an unofficial 32-bit powerpc port, just doesn't have security supported releases of the port.

alerighi 5y ago

I recently switched back to Linux after not using it as my main OS for a couple of years. I was surprised how better it got, one example, everything worked well out of the box, and I installed Arch Linux not Ubuntu, no problem at all, GNOME 40 is great, fonts are good out of the box, gestures that works, things like screen brightness works, Wayland is finally stable, printer installs without too much trouble.

orf 5y ago
You're damning it with faint praise there rather than selling it.