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> Oh please. Do you really think that MS has nobody with any level of competency on any single team in their entire org? I dunno, let's see: > Microsoft doesn

> Oh please. Do you really think that MS has nobody with any level of competency on any single team in their entire org? I dunno, let's see: > Microsoft doesn't have any competent developers working on the Windows user interfaces Looks like I am specifically calling out one subset here in particular. So I would say that no, no I don't believe what you're implying I believe. > Could it possibly be that sometimes... things have bugs? Shit breaks in ways you don't expect. Things happen. Bugs happen to everyone, but the people working on the Windows interfaces have poor architectural choices, nonsensical user-hostile decisions, and a history of reinventing the wheel with slower (and buggier!), less featureful, interfaces. > Painting an entire group of people you've never met with such a large brush is gross. It's just software and these are just people. This is the image they project into the world, if they want to be thought of differently then they should actually do something to project that image instead.

marcus_holmes 5y ago
I suspect the nonsensical user-hostile decisions are not being made by the devs themselves. And if I was in their position (of implementing nonsensical user-hostile decisions) I would probably not give two shits whether it was done well or not.
- only_as_i_fall 5y ago
  And I don't think anyone would blame you as a person for making that choice, but I also wouldn't call you a highly competent developer.
jerhewet 5y ago
It's very refreshing for me to find someone that can succinctly describe how fucking incompetent almost all of the UI / UX designers and developers at Microsoft are without being hammered down as "a troll" in the comments. There are a LOT of us out here that remember how well things were designed and implemented 20, 30, and 40 years ago, and how disgustingly broken everything is now, and how everyone nowadays ACCEPTS THIS AS NORMAL. Microsoft Teams is a steaming pile of shit. Windows Desktop Explorer is a steaming pile of shit. The XAML bullshit they're using for the Start Menu button in Windows 10 (and I'm guessing Windows 11, since I am not going to be installing it) is a steaming pile of shit. Microsoft's invasive advertising and telemetry IN A DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEM is a steaming pile of shit. People need to stop pretending this shit isn't broken. People need to stop calling people who point out how fucking broken this shit is "trolls".

marcus_holmes 5y ago

I suspect the nonsensical user-hostile decisions are not being made by the devs themselves. And if I was in their position (of implementing nonsensical user-hostile decisions) I would probably not give two shits whether it was done well or not.

only_as_i_fall 5y ago
And I don't think anyone would blame you as a person for making that choice, but I also wouldn't call you a highly competent developer.

jerhewet 5y ago

It's very refreshing for me to find someone that can succinctly describe how fucking incompetent almost all of the UI / UX designers and developers at Microsoft are without being hammered down as "a troll" in the comments. There are a LOT of us out here that remember how well things were designed and implemented 20, 30, and 40 years ago, and how disgustingly broken everything is now, and how everyone nowadays ACCEPTS THIS AS NORMAL. Microsoft Teams is a steaming pile of shit. Windows Desktop Explorer is a steaming pile of shit. The XAML bullshit they're using for the Start Menu button in Windows 10 (and I'm guessing Windows 11, since I am not going to be installing it) is a steaming pile of shit. Microsoft's invasive advertising and telemetry IN A DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEM is a steaming pile of shit. People need to stop pretending this shit isn't broken. People need to stop calling people who point out how fucking broken this shit is "trolls".