To put some color on the "NoOps" world: it is not that product engineers are directly touching cloud or metal. We have an infrastructure group. It ships a PaaS.

To put some color on the "NoOps" world: it is not that product engineers are directly touching cloud or metal. We have an infrastructure group. It ships a PaaS. It doesn't get involved with a specific tenant of that PaaS unless a product engineer has evidence that there's something wrong with it & escalates a page. Product engineers click the deploy and rollback buttons for themselves.