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You just said it!! Google is scanning its own servers.. This company is scanning something that is supposed to be yours!

vultour 5y ago
Right before it's uploaded to their servers...
concinds 5y ago
I fail to see any difference, when your data is as much "yours" whether cloud backup is turned on or off. Google and others scan data stored in Drive (and other cloud storage) not just for CP, but for copyright infringement, etc; even files not shared with anyone. Someone here just yesterday complained that Google in 2014 kept deleting personal files of ripped DVDs from their Drive. Given that many people use GDrive/OneDrive/iCloud as their main storage, where most of their PC files are stored in the cloud, I fail to see any logic in making a cloud vs personal device distinction.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  When you hand it off to google it's now on their servers and as their user agreements point out your shit will be scanned and made available to law enforcement upon request and proper authority (whether that's a warrant or just Bill from computer forensics asking for it, I don't really know). When it's on your phone it is not being scanned. It's just like having to get a warrant to rifle through your house for evidence. The same should be required for personal devices. It being digital doesn't mean it should be any less safe than if it was on paper.
- yunohn 5y ago
  Would you argue there’s no difference between the police searching a safety deposit box (which is a bad example, since it’s actually quite private) versus constantly going through and indexing the contents of your home, trying to find illegal objects?
Terretta 5y ago
Have you considered the number of client-side SDKs surreptitiously doing things on “your” mobile device? One of the most common is “scanning” your location constantly, feeding your daily routines to marketing data aggregators, which is arguably more invasive of the average person’s privacy than CSAM flagging. I’ve posted in the past a list of a short-list of offending SDKs frequently phoning home from across multiple apps from multiple developers. Since weather apps sending your location surprised people, I thought this problem would get more traction. This Apple thing, where this is iCloud file upload client SDK doing a thing on upload, is an instance of this class of problem. It’s not an Apple thing, it’s a client SDK thing, and the problem of trusting actions on “your” end of a protocol or cloud service is not a solved thing.

vultour 5y ago

Right before it's uploaded to their servers...

concinds 5y ago

I fail to see any difference, when your data is as much "yours" whether cloud backup is turned on or off. Google and others scan data stored in Drive (and other cloud storage) not just for CP, but for copyright infringement, etc; even files not shared with anyone. Someone here just yesterday complained that Google in 2014 kept deleting personal files of ripped DVDs from their Drive. Given that many people use GDrive/OneDrive/iCloud as their main storage, where most of their PC files are stored in the cloud, I fail to see any logic in making a cloud vs personal device distinction.

stjohnswarts 5y ago
When you hand it off to google it's now on their servers and as their user agreements point out your shit will be scanned and made available to law enforcement upon request and proper authority (whether that's a warrant or just Bill from computer forensics asking for it, I don't really know). When it's on your phone it is not being scanned. It's just like having to get a warrant to rifle through your house for evidence. The same should be required for personal devices. It being digital doesn't mean it should be any less safe than if it was on paper.
yunohn 5y ago
Would you argue there’s no difference between the police searching a safety deposit box (which is a bad example, since it’s actually quite private) versus constantly going through and indexing the contents of your home, trying to find illegal objects?

Terretta 5y ago

Have you considered the number of client-side SDKs surreptitiously doing things on “your” mobile device? One of the most common is “scanning” your location constantly, feeding your daily routines to marketing data aggregators, which is arguably more invasive of the average person’s privacy than CSAM flagging. I’ve posted in the past a list of a short-list of offending SDKs frequently phoning home from across multiple apps from multiple developers. Since weather apps sending your location surprised people, I thought this problem would get more traction. This Apple thing, where this is iCloud file upload client SDK doing a thing on upload, is an instance of this class of problem. It’s not an Apple thing, it’s a client SDK thing, and the problem of trusting actions on “your” end of a protocol or cloud service is not a solved thing.